[Advaita-l] An adhyAsa challenge

[Jay Nelamangala]

Kartik JayanArAyaNan,
Namaste.

> If by "substratum of knowing" you mean "substratum of
> knowledge", virtually every verse of the
> upadeshasaahasrii contradicts you, by saying that the
> Atman is the substratum of all knowledge. AFAIK, the
> term "ahaMkAra" is only used with regards to action,
> not knowledge. 
>
You are right.  When I say "substratum of knowing etc.,"
it is meant  "substratum"   of knowing, action, enjoying etc.

Knowledge itself is eternal, self-evident, undifferenciated
unity called "chit".

> You said on 30 May 2003, in part II of your postings
> on adhyAsa, "According to advaita vEdAnta, the thing
> that is the substratum of knowing etc is also inert,
> such a thing is called ahamkAra in advaita
> vEdaanta..." Now, I would really like to know the
> source of that statement, with the original Sanskrit.

"ahamkArasya anadyanirvachanIyAvidyA upAdAnam" 
    - VivaraNa pramEya samgraha of Sri VidyAraNya
anirvachanIya avidyA is the material cause of  ahamkAra.

"avidyAyAha paramEshwara adhishTitatvam nimittam |
jnAnashaktikriyAshakti dvayam svarUpam | kUTastha
chaitanyam pramANam |  kartrtvabhOktrtvAdikam cha
kAryam | "

You also need to understand,  "vishaya chaitanya"
and "pramANa chaitanya" to know this "knowing" in
advaita vEdAnta and see how it all works.
Let me know if you are keen on it.

(Tomorrow I am out on business, so no emails from me)

> Also, on 2 June 2003, posting on the thread "adhyAsa
> part V", you said : "So it is incorrect to say
> *blueness* is superimposed on sky." And Vidyasankar
> corrected you by pointing out your error. 
> 
Blue sky was not in my series.  It was brought out by
Sri Bhaskarji,  and I myself had several questions on
the blue-sky example,  so I had to ask them.

Thanks and regards,

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S Jayanarayanan" <sjayana at yahoo.com>
To: "advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] An adhyAsa challenge


> --- Jay Nelamangala <jay at r-c-i.com> wrote:
> > Mr. Kartik Jayanaryanan,
> > 
> > Namaste.
> > 
> > > 
> > > I hereby challenge you to a debate, you simply
> > have to
> > > reply to this posting if you accept the following
> > > terms of the debate:
> > >
> > 
> > Why call it a challenge?   It is understanding of
> > adhyAsa.
> > You are welcome to show where my posting on adhyAsa
> > is not according to vivaraNa-pramEya-samgraha of Sri
> > VidyAraNya.
> 
> You said on 30 May 2003, in part II of your postings
> on adhyAsa, "According to advaita vEdAnta, the thing
> that is the substratum of knowing etc is also inert,
> such a thing is called ahamkAra in advaita
> vEdaanta..." Now, I would really like to know the
> source of that statement, with the original Sanskrit.
> If by "substratum of knowing" you mean "substratum of
> knowledge", virtually every verse of the
> upadeshasaahasrii contradicts you, by saying that the
> Atman is the substratum of all knowledge. AFAIK, the
> term "ahaMkAra" is only used with regards to action,
> not knowledge. 
> 
> Also, on 2 June 2003, posting on the thread "adhyAsa
> part V", you said : "So it is incorrect to say
> *blueness* is superimposed on sky." And Vidyasankar
> corrected you by pointing out your error. 
>