[Advaita-l] Shankara and Kriya Yoga
rajaramvenk at gmail.com
rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Thu Jun 6 12:07:08 CDT 2013
Shruti is not apaurusheya because its author has been forgotten. It is apaurusheya because it has always been known to be without author and opposing arguments have been refuted by mimamsakas and vedantins to this day. If there is no apaurusheya shruti, then how can one - for the first time - find out that there will be result for yajna in a future birth or there will no rebirth? These are unseen results and has to be learnt from another who should learn from yet another and so on.
The source of knowledge about what constitutes shruti is sampradaya. Controversy has to be resolved through evaluation of supporting arguments. Even if we can't resolve, we can accept as shruti what is common to all. A statement - so called shruti or otherwise - should not contradict what is common shruti pramana to all.
If I told you I taught Sankara logic, will you accept? You will ask for evidence because you are not a gullible person. Basically, you will ask "When?". If I said 1200 years ago, you will say Sankara lived 2500 years ago or vice-versa. You will ask "What else I remember from that time period?" And verify the facts against what is known through historical studies. Have the followers of Babaji done such critical study? On the contrary, we see sringeri acharya enquiring in to the truth of his own experience critically. If we don't do that we will be left with no option but to blindly accept any statement by any one as true and beyond question. We know that it is not the case and hence the need for discrimination between truth and delusion.
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From: Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:26:44
To: <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
Cc: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Shankara and Kriya Yoga
praNAms Sri Rajaram prabhuji
Hare Krishna. It is amazing how a brilliant and learned scholar such as
you should fail to differentiate between apaurusheya and paurusheya sabda
> At the outset a disclaimer note : I am not a learned scholar nor a
brilliant at any stretch of your favourable imagination on me..For that
matter I am not even qualified to be called as a sincere student of
advaita...My priorities with regard to advaita sAdhana always occupies the
last bench. So, you can always take my words with a pinch of salt :-)) And
when it comes to the demarkation line that you would like to draw between
apaurusheya and paurusheya shabda pramANa is still unclear to me. By the
way how would you certainly determine a certain statement in a book (
think that the title of which you donot know) is apaurusheya or otherwise
!!?? I am still at puzzle. Various tradition within trimatasta-s have
varied opinion on what supposed to be the apaurusheya texts..I hope I dont
have to bring-in the controversies that exists between dvaitins &
advaitins with regard to Agama prakaraNa of mAndUkya.
All pramanas including sabda can lead to incorrect conclusion due to wrong
application as detailed out in tarkasangraha but without apaurusheya
shruti laying the foundation there can be no eternal knowledge.
> since I am a student of advaita vedAnta, I dont have any problem here to
accept shAstra is the pramANa for eternal knowledge..But I dont think this
stand would force me for unconditional acceptance of the apaurusheyatva of
veda-s. Like any other paurusheya pramANa grantha-s (i.e. smruti & nyAya
prasthAna) shruti also a pramANa for which author/s are anonymous.
BTW, Sringeri Periyava does not believe his own experience blindly. He
validates it through other means. It is detailed out in the book.
> I dont want to debate on this issue on behalf of kriya yOga
followers...But I am interested to know which shruti pramANa you would
give to prove the fact that HH received the yOga instruction from shiva in
dream!!?? If it is not possible but accepted as truth based on guru vAkya
I dont know why kriya yOga followers should not do that same way and
declare the bAbAji is the kriya yOga guru of shankarAchArya!!??
Let us say the statements of Krishna, Sringeri Periyava and Babaji are
equally unverfiable and only an object of sraddha. If Krishna's statement
is determined as true, it serves the core purpose of directing the mind
towards sarvajna nitya ishwara. If Sringeri Periyava's statement is
determined to be true, it directs the mind towards sarvajna nitya ishwara
again. If Babaji's statement is determined to be true, it directs the mind
towards Babaji, who is at best a jAti smara jIva or a chiranjeevi.
> One could easily sense the subjective attachment to one particular
personality or institution. For that matter if bAbAji's statement is
determined to be true, it does not directs the mind towards bAbAji, it
directs the mind towards Ishwara / god only...through dhyAna & adhyAtmika
jeevana one can bring god into life is the basic teaching of kriya yOgin-s
One who has determined the value of discrimination between eternal and
non-eternal will not give in to such a distraction.
> I agree with you...but sorry to say that my mind is still struggling to
capture the knack of determination, hence there is lot of distraction.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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