[Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva vaada

[Sujal Upadhyay]

praNAms,

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

At times dreams indicate our future :)

What I feel is that no creation or dream creation is better understood
w.r.t. to individual consciousness and not collective consciousness. That
is why when one jIva is Self Realised, the world is not *destroyed*, but
*negated*, else the whole world will be destroyed.

Until Ishvara does not detach 'I' from BMI, it is better to be a humble
bhakta, else it is like seeing snake, but keep saying that I see rope :)

After one experiences detachment, and sees own body clearly, just like one
sees others, as if a body is seen from a camera on top back, there are two
options - to be extrovert and run after material objects or to strive to
become introvert and merge in source.

Hare Krishna



On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

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> While dreaming, mind creates the whole scene (samsAra), different
> personalities, different situations, then the drama goes on and when mind
> is saturated or desires are extinguished, the mental world is pulled back
> within mind. So there is creation, preservation and destruction. Though
> there are many characters in dream, all are played by one.
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> btw, not all dreams are pleasant :) some are scary, so we are not in
> control of what we create. It all depends upon our dis-satisfied desires.
>
> praNAms
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> Hare Krishna
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> Yes, it has been said in kAtaka that svapna kartru is brahman only using
> the vAsana of jeeva accumulated in waking.  And when it comes to srushti
> prakriya (not avasthA traya prakriya) there is a difference between svapna
> srushti and waking world.  In the former there is not even an iota of
> paramArthika but latter is Ishwara’s pAramArthika srushti.  pAramArthikastu
> nAyaM sandhyAshrayaH sargO viyadaadi sargavat says shankara in sUtra
> bhAshya.  So, from the nirvikAra / nirvishesha Atma drushti, the socalled
> three states are ‘dreams’ only nothing else.  Tasya traya avasathA trayee
> svapnAH says Itareya.  But when it comes to jAgrat prapancha srushti and
> srushti svarUpa there is no other reason other than brahman.  Hence we
> don’t get the pApa puNya (karma phala saNchayanaM) for the actions we do in
> svapna like in jAgrat prapancha we could see only pApa & puNya phala that
> we accrued in vAsana form.  Elsewhere shankara says if you see a black man
> with black teeth in your dream, understand that you are nearing your
> mruthyu J
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> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
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> bhaskar
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> *From:* Sujal Upadhyay [mailto:sujal.u at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 2:12 PM
> *To:* Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> *Cc:* A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>; kuntimaddi sadananda <
> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva
> vaada
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> praNAms Bhaskar Prabhu ji,
>
> I understand. I did not went through 200 posts :) Our imagination is based
> on our past knowledge, likes and dislikes, as I have said, we superimpose
> 'value' to Gold. So our shrishti is the superimposition on Ishvara's
> shrishti. But the world we see is 'our world' and not reality. Again, what
> matters is where our consciousness is. If it is in dream state, then the
> waking world is non-existent for me. In the same way, in nirvikapl samAdhi,
> since nothing is perceived (seen, experienced) by mind via sense organs,
> there is no world, no creation, nothing.
>
> While dreaming, mind creates the whole scene (samsAra), different
> personalities, different situations, then the drama goes on and when mind
> is saturated or desires are extinguished, the mental world is pulled back
> within mind. So there is creation, preservation and destruction. Though
> there are many characters in dream, all are played by one.
>
> btw, not all dreams are pleasant :) some are scary, so we are not in
> control of what we create. It all depends upon our dis-satisfied desires.
>
> Hare Krishna
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> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
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> It seems that the word ‘samsāra’ means ‘jīva-sṛṣṭi’ or ‘mano-sṛṣṭi’, while
> vishva or jagat means the world created by Īshvara.
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> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
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> The above is what I tried to convey to this list in the jagan mithyatva
> discussion.  In short, woman, kids, giri, nadi sakala nAma rUpa in this
> jagat is Ishwara srushti for which brahman is the both upAdAna and nimitta
> whereas  my wife, my son, my house, my BMI etc. are jeeva mAnasa parichinna
> pratyaya which is due to avidyA.  Jeeva cannot create (imagine) the jagat
> on its own, it is Ishwara (hiraNyagarbha) who creates this jagat for the
> jeeva for their karma bhOga (shankara explicitly says this in sUtra
> bhAshya).  If everything is mere imagination of me, the eka jeeva, I would
> have imagined 'my world' in a better way to make it as a comfortable place
> to stay longer :-)
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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