[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas

[Kalyan]

//Also is important to keep in mind what Shankara has said in the BGB: even if one is proficient in all shāstra-s, if he has not acquired knowledge according to the sampradāya, his views are to be rejected as those of a fool.//


Subbuji, I think you have a very unhealthy tendency to label everyone as an asAmpradAyavit or a fool very easily. I think you should curb this tendency. You very easily behave as if you are the only gatekeeper of sAmpradAya.

And stop selectively quoting Shankara bhAshyas. Sistachara does not replace Shruti. The bhAshya on Br. Up. 1.3.10 is quite emphatic that one must not travel to foreign lands. Similar views are found in other dharmashastras quoted by others here. It is these, that the Sringeri Acharya has violated.

Regards
Kalyan


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On Sun, 10/8/17, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
 To: "कुवँर बिपिन चौहान" <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>
 Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "Raghav Kumar Dwivedula" <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>, "Vēdānta Study Group" <vedant.study at gmail.com>
 Date: Sunday, October 8, 2017, 2:36 AM
 
 
 
 On Sat,
 Oct 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM, कुवँर बिपिन
 चौहान <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Namaste
 !
 
 Please desh, kaal, stithi
 ke pare hai paralukik yeh purntah galat hai ki gayatri
 jambudwip se bahar uccahran kari jaye.
 
 Tark sansarik mat hai anytha sab neti neti
 hai.
 
 Yeh spasht hai ki
 gayatri ji gupt hain 
 
 https://www.facebook.com/shrim
 ahakaleshwar/posts/84314980578 5998
 
 My guru batuk shastri (Brahmnal, Varanasi)
 always says it's next to impossible we go against shastr
 on anyway.
 
 Simple question: Is the
 Jagadguru of Sringeri wrong in blessing the SVBF initiative
 in Pennsylvania? 
 
 Answer: I
 bipin chauhan on behalf of Eternal Law declared it totally
 wrong.
 
 
 
 Which text are you referring to by
 the above name? 
  
 
 For this
 my Guru ke Guru Swami Karpatri fight/ shastrath with madan
 mohan malviya that Widow marriage is not possible the fool
 vaishya kul empire goenka say as per shastr Swami Karpatri
 ji right but malviya is also not wrong due to desh kal
 stithi shloka of gita ji.
 
 I
 know Jagadguru Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji but ignorance
 or will of Brahman all this happen because Bharat unable to
 follow 
 
 https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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 %BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8 from long ago.
 
 In the Taittiriyopaniṣat 1.11.3 we
 have:
 
 अथ
 यदि ते कर्मविचिकित्सा
 वा वृत्तविचिकित्सा वा
 स्यात् ॥ ३ ॥ ये तत्र
 ब्राह्मणाः
 संमर्शिनः । युक्ता
 आयुक्ताः । अलूक्षा
 धर्मकामाः स्युः । यथा
 ते तत्र वर्तेरन् । तथा
 तत्र
 वर्तेथाः । Shankara
 says:  अथ
 एवं वर्तमानस्य यदि
 कदाचित् ते तव श्रौते
 स्मार्ते वा कर्मणि
 वृत्ते वा आचारलक्षणे विचिकित्सा
 संशयः स्यात् भवेत् , ये
 तत्र तस्मिन्देशे काले
 वा ब्राह्मणाः तत्र
 कर्मादौ युक्ता इति
 व्यवहितेन सम्बन्धः
 कर्तव्यः ; संमर्शिनः
 विचारक्षमाः, युक्ताः
 अभियुक्ताः, कर्मणि
 वृत्ते वा आयुक्ताः
 अपरप्रयुक्ताः,
 अलूक्षाः अरूक्षाः
 अक्रूरमतयः, धर्मकामाः
 अदृष्टार्थिनः
 अकामहता इत्येतत् ;
 स्युः भवेयुः, ते
 ब्राह्मणाः यथा येन
 प्रकारेण तत्र
 तस्मिन्कर्मणि वृत्ते
 वा वर्तेरन् , तथा
 त्वमपि वर्तेथाः ।
 
 If one
 gets a doubt as to how to conduct oneself on a particular
 issue, he must do as those brāhmaṇa-s who live in that
 place or time who practice dharma and are intent on
 adṛṣṭa, not given to desire, who are not given to
 anger....do.
 Sureshwaracharya too does not say
 anything different in the Taittiriya Bhāṣya Vārtika for
 this. 
 
 Sāyaṇāchārya for this mantra
 says:  vṛtta, conduct, means 'kula-paramparāgataḥ
 laukikaḥ ācāraḥ. ' That pertaining to his own
 family, lineage, etc. worldly conduct. There can be doubt as
 to this too, for one sees conduct like 'marrying
 one's maternal daughter, eating meat, etc. A person
 might get a doubt as to these issues too. In that case, he
 has to be guided by the practices of noble persons who live
 in that place, at that time, where this person
 lives. 
 So it is very
 clear that in the matter of conduct, dharma, there can't
 be any 'eternal' law; it is essentially decided by
 desha and kāla.  That is exactly what Shankara has said in
 the Brahma sutra bhashya. All that the Veda or he himself
 has said elsewhere has to be understood in the light of this
 statement of Shankara and the Taittiriyopanishat. Also, one
 can see the other element that I had highlighted: it is the
 adherence to yama (akrodha, etc.) that gains supremacy over
 niyama. The Taittiriya says: those brahmanas who are not
 given to krodha, kāma, etc. as Shankara has highlighted.
 Dharma differs from place to place, time to time.    
 
 The
 maṭhāmānya that you seem to refer to does not say
 anything about the topic.  So, your own ignorance or
 whatever, you are trying to superimpose on the Jagadguru. 
 Also is important to keep in mind what Shankara has said in
 the BGB: even if one is proficient in all shāstra-s, if he
 has not acquired knowledge according to the sampradāya, his
 views are to be rejected as those of a fool. The view you
 have expressed does not bear the kind of sampradāya that
 Shankara has adhered to as is evident in his
 bhāṣya.   
 
 regardssubrahmanian.v 
 
 Anyway 
 Ram 
  
 
 On 7
 October 2017 at 10:23, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l
 <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedan
 ta.org> wrote:
 That's
 an excellent bhAShya reference, Subbu ji,  on how dharma
 can
 
 definitely be reinterpreted by shiShTa-s in keeping with the
 present desha
 
 and kAla. No doubt it's not a licence to say, anything
 goes. We have to
 
 cautiously move on.
 
 
 
 But to say that all NRI brahmins are patita-s as long as
 they are based
 
 abroad seems untenable.
 
 
 
 Om
 
 Raghav