Change and the changeless

[Greg Goode]

At 09:29 PM 11/2/97 -0500, Ram Chandran wrote:

>Charles A. Hillig wrote:

>>
>>      We are changeless because "we" are not really "here" at all.
>>
>>       Never have been,  Never will be.
>>
>>      Only the Self is present.

Wouldn't you say that "we" are the Self?  If not, what ARE we?



Ram Chandran writes:

>
>        The questions, Whether I change?, Whether I am a Ajnani? and their
>answers arise indicate that I am Ajnani! As long as I am at this
>igonorant state, I want to change. If and when the moment comes where I
>start believe that I am changeless, I will be changeless!

If you are Brahman, then you are changeless whether or not you believe you
are,
wouldn't you say?  The change from ignorance to knowledge begins when the
mind/
intellect starts believing deeply that what you are IS Brahman.

--Greg