Non-reality of the world

[Maadhavan Srinivasan]

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>Subject:      Re: Non-reality of the world
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>>>

>Sadananda wrote,
>>>>>>
>>> I think G Murthy has addressed a very fundamental and vital point
out
>>> here. When we know the water is a mirage and the snake is a rope why
>>> don't people too realize the non-reality of the world?
>
>As I understand:
>
>The mirage and the snake/rope examples signify two different aspects of
>adhyaasa ( Superimposition) The following may clarify.
>
>Relating to the world - There is an objective world and then there is a
>subjective projection of the objective world.  One is, it is, therefore
I
>see it - and second is I see it, therefore it is.   Error can creep in
both
>of them. There is an objective error due to distorsion or limitation of
the
>medium of perception. Example is the sun-rise and sun-set or apparent
>bending of the pencil or mirrage waters etc.  Enquiry into the nature
of
>diffraction etc. are required to understand the truth of the
experience.  I
>call it objective error in the sense that it does not depend on a
>particular individual.  Everybody in that situation sees sun-rise and
>sunset or mirrage waters or apparent bending of the pencil etc.  This
is
>the example of- it is and therefore I see it.  The error is not in my
>individual equipments.
>
>The second is more subjective like seeing a snake when there is a rope.
>Snake is because I see it.  you say Rope is because you see it as a
rope.
>It is not universal error as in mirrage waters or sun-raise and sunset.
>
>After scientific inquiry, we understand that sun neither raises nor
sets.
>But this does not negate the apprearence of the sun-raise nor further
>experience of sun-raise.  Only the inquiry and understanding eliminates
my
>misunderstanding that sun raises and sets everyday or the waters I see
is
>only due to light reflection.  Hence a JNaani also sees the world of
>plurality but he does not have a mistaken notion that it absolutely
real.
>That is the reason Shankar or Krishna could teach us even after
realizing
>there are no others to teach!
>
>The subjective errors are eliminated by the knowledge that it is rope
and
>not a snake.  I donot see anymore snake there, once my mind is
convinced
>that it is only a rope. Dream states come under this category.
>
>Delusion consists of both.  In my analysis of thoughts, I touched based
on
>the objetive thoughts and subjective superimpositions on top of the
>objective thoughts.  A Jnaani sees the thoughts, but he also sees that
they
>are objects superimposed on consciousness and he is that consciousness.
He
>cannot attribute to reality to those thoughts just as the waves on the
>ocean that rise and subside and the ocean need not have a
misunderstanding
>that the waves are different from it.
>
>Hari Om!
>Sadananda


>A Jnaani sees the thoughts, but he also sees that they
>are objects superimposed on consciousness and he is that
>consciousness.

If a jnaani sees thoughts, there itself duality exists. Then,how can he
realize Truth.

With Regards,
Madhavan.


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