?Question?

[Shrisha Rao]

On Mon, 7 Dec 1998, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:

> If it is not a guru-shishya relationship then why do dvaita sannyasis
> continue to have the name Tirth?  They do not seem to have any ideological
> need to do so.

An "ideological need" is purely on the basis of the assumption that the
title was created by Advaitins, however.  Note this fact.

> I don't doubt his talents but it is completely non-controversial that his
> guru was an Advaitin (Achyutapreksha Tirth) and he later repudiated that
> doctrine. (See http://www.dvaita.org/madhva/AnandaT_1.html)  No doubt the

Where "he" refers to the guru?  Quite true.

Regards,

Shrisha Rao

> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>

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Shrisha Rao wrote:

> Why do you say that?  I would say that only post-14th-century Advaitins
> do.  There is no proper textual or epigraphical tradition dating back to

The book mentioned by Jaldhar, by Sadanandagiri points out evidence that
there is epigraphical evidence for the earliest dashanAmi akhADas to the
9th-10th century AD. After Vidyasankar returns I'm sure he'll post a
scholarly article. May I point out that lack of epigraphical evidence
does not mean anything? There is _no_ epigraphical evidence for either
sha.nkara or sureshvara. The reason is rather simple. In sha.nkara's
times sannyAsis were recluses and were not associated with kingdoms.
Sureshvara's writing make this amply clear and he refuses to conider
anyone other than sannyAsis as disciples. By the time of Vidyashankara
there was a connection between politics and advaita. This was necessary
due to the muslim invasions. After that the dashanAmI tradition has been
quite influential in political circles also.

> > Both.  For instance a Dashanami called Anand Tirth became a gurudrohi on
> > a spectacular scale.  Obviously the Dvaita sannyasis of today are not
> > because they have only claimed to be followers of Anand Tirth no one else.
> > So they are the followers of a gurudrohi.
>
> Refer above.

Ditto.

May I request an end to this thread unless anyone has solid historical
evidence to talk about? Thank you.

Rama

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> The book mentioned by Jaldhar, by Sadanandagiri points out evidence that
> there is epigraphical evidence for the earliest dashanAmi akhADas to the
> 9th-10th century AD. After Vidyasankar returns I'm sure he'll post a

Which, nonetheless, does not show that their originator was Shankara.
There is evidence that the title `tIrtha', at least, dates from the
time before Shankara himself.

Regards,

Shrisha Rao

> Rama

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