viprataa (was Re: Sadhana)

[Vivek Anand Ganesan]

NamashkAr,
---"ShrI Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar at BRAINCELLS.COM> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 11 May 1998, Vivek Anand Ganesan wrote:
>
> > But, the crux of this debate
> > is "who is a brahmin?".  "Brahmin" to ShrI Shankaracharya meant
> > something vey different than what it means today.  I have trouble
> > accepting that the BhagavatpAda had somehow ( implicitly and/or
> > explicitly ) espoused the degenerate caste system of today.
>
> Your trouble stems from your lack of knowledge.  I've made a few
arguments
> but rather than make more I invite you to see for yourself.  Talk to
a few
> degenerates ;-) you might be surprised.
>
> --
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
>
   I agree that my knowledge is limited and I meant no disrespect to
any one in particular by my previous post.  The "Degeneration"
mentioned above is the understanding of the system as it stands today
( atleast as it was explained to me ).  IMO, current views on the
caste system make an automatic association between "jati" and "varnam".
   "jati" is associated with birth but from what I understood from
ShrI Anand's post, "varnam" is not.  Since our AchArya's views on
VedAdhikAram mention "varnam" only, how can we exclude people based on
"jati" alone?
   I kindly request corrections for any misunderstandings and/or
mis-statements on my part.

Thanks,

-Vivek.
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