B.J. GANESH PRASAD bjganeshprasad at YAHOO.COM
Thu Jun 1 23:20:39 CDT 2000

Hari om,

Although agreeable on what Mr. Ramachandran says, i beg to differ on his
view on Advaitha and Dvaitha.

Dvaitha, connotates the dual conceptualization of the self and brahma, which
is therefore the basis for Advaitha.

there cannot be Advaitha without Dvaitha in the beginning, as Karmakhanda,
eluciates (Ref: Mimamsa Sutravali, no 5) the need for action. All action
necessarily indicates Dualism, with a Karta and Kartvya. The Shankara
Bhashya on Bhagavad Geetha, clearly illustrates this point.

Advaita and Dvaita are not just Adjectives, Gauda pada Karikas and
Vivekachudamani, and also Vedantha Paribhasha speaks about the meaning of
these terms. They are interpretated on the same importance associated to


----- Original Message -----
From: Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at>
Sent: 02 June 2000 08:51
Subject: Re: Advaita

> On Fri, 26 May 2000, Ram Chandran wrote:
> > Hari Om;
> >
> > Let me add some additional points regarding the terminology, Advaita.
> > Panini's Sanskrit grammatical structure is mathematically precise and
> > been recognized most suitable for computer language structure.
> Speaking as someone who has studied both computer science and vyakarana, I
> have to say this is not true though for some reason many Indians
> seem to believe it.
> Computers can easily handle any Human language, Panini was aiming at a
> much lower bandwidth device--the human brain.  The reason for the precise
> logic and economy of expression of the sutras is that they are meant to be
> memorized.
> > For computer
> > computations, binary notations are critical and Sanskrit grammatical
> > structure has a built in (natural) binary notation.  Look the following
> > pairs of mutually exclusive words:
> >
> > Dharma  -  Adharma
> > Satyam     -   Asatyam
> > Suddham  -  Asuddham
> > Nithi      -  Anithi
> > Nyayam   -  Anyayam
> > Dairyam   -  Adairyam
> > etc., etc.,
> >
> Look at the following sets of words
> possible       impossible
> attractive     unattractive
> edible         inedible
> forming words by negation is hardly a unique feature of Sanskrit.  In fact
> I'd be surprised if there were any language that _didn't_ do this.
> >
> > We can know everything that we want to know about Dharma by eliminating
> > 'Adharma' We can establish Dharma by abolishing Adharma and vice-versa
> > establish Adharma by not observing Dharma! The structure is
> > precise without any ambiguities.  A similar statement is possible with
> > respect to Satyam, Suddham, Nithi, Nyayam, Dairyam, etc.
> >
> > Now let us get back to the word -  Advaitam.
> > The associated pair of words are: Dvaitam and Advaitam.  These two are
> > mutually exclusive terms and we eliminate Dvaitam then Advaitam is
> > established.  More effectively, if we establish Advaitam, we can
> > Dvaitam.   In conclusion, I believe that Advaitam is a better
> > than Ekatam.
> >
> Advaita and Dvaita are just adjectives.  By themselves they are
> meaningless.  As the current discussion on Buddhism shows, being
> "Advaitam" isn't enough. Same for Ekta.  The key question is _what_ is
> "not-two" or what is "one"?  If we look at all the clever people who have
> expended such effort into answering these questions we can see that they
> do not avail of simplistic answers.
> >
> > Note: Panini's grammatical structure is well recognized by the
> > who work in the area of Artificial Intelligence.  A number of journal
> > articles have referenced Panini' grammatical structure and its relevance
> > computer algorithms.
> I can understand why a computer scientist would appreciate the logic of
> Panini (Thats how I got interested in Sanskrit) but they would be sadly
> mistaken if they thought it would help with "artificial intelligence" at
> all. The sutras address syntax which is fairly easy for a computer-even
> for a messy unsystematic language like English.  The "intelligence" part
> of artificial intelligence is in semantics and that the sutras hardly deal
> with.
> Unfortunately a big problem in Indian society these day is people like to
> sit around and congratulate themselves on how ancient and profound their
> culture is but they don't want to take the trouble to actually learn what
> it is saying!
> Let's show respect to Panini and the other great scientists of our culture
> by learning and passing on their wisdom.  Here's a little taste of what
> vyakarana is all about.
> Although it is a groundbreaking work, the Ashtadhyayi of Panini had
> some problems and was refined by his successors.  In the 15th century,
> Bhattoji Dikshita rearranged the order of the Sutras and it is his work
> the Siddhanta Kaumudi which is the standard work on vyakarana or
> grammar.  This was condensed by Varadaraja Bhatta into the Laghu Siddhanta
> Kaumudi which is what I have studied.
> The key to understanding vyakarana is the 14 pratyahara sutras also known
> as Maheshwara sutras because they were created by Shiva Bhagawan.  They
> are (in ITRANS notation):
> aiuN | R^iL^ik | eo~n | aiauch | hayavaraT | laN | ~nama~NaNanam |
> jhabha~n | ghaDhadhash | jabagaDadaSh | khaphaChaThathachaTatav | kapay |
> shaShasar | hal ||
> Sounds like gibberish right?  Well the sutra "halo'ntyam"  explains that
> the last letter of each Maheshwara sutra is an "it" or indicatory letter.
> The sutra "Adirantyena saheta" means that the first letter of each sutra
> upto the it stands for all the letters in between.  For example one of the
> basic rule of sandhi or conjunction for vowels is summed up in the sutra
> "iko yaN achi"  This means when ik follows ach it is replaced by yaN.
> ik == i,u,R^i,L^i
> yaN == ya,va,ra,la
> ach == a,i,u,R^i,L^i,e,o,ai,au
> or in other words if i,u,R^i,L^i comes after a vowel, it is replaced by
> ya,va,ra,la respectively.  E.g.: madhu + ari = madhvari ("The enemy of
> [the Asura] Madhu" i.e. Vishnu Bhagawan)
> See how much more compact the sutra is?  By learning about 750 sutras like
> this one can master almost the entire Sanskrit language.
> --
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at>
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