Tenets of Samkhya

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On 14 Aug 2002, at 18:53, Shrinivas Gadkari wrote:

>
> Namaste,
>
> This concept of multiple Purushas should be treated with care.
> Could the great Patanjali have postulated the existence of
> independent, real, multiple Purushas. According to some legends
> Patanjali was the guru of Gaudapada.
>
The very definition of ISvara as special purusha implies ordinary
purusha/s and the ordinary purusha is afflicted with 'klESa, karma,
vipAka and ASaya'. This is the import of the sutra.

regards,

Sarma.
> Best regards
> Shrinivas
>
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> Date:    Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:19:05 -0400
> From:    Vidyasankar <vsundaresan at HOTMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: Tenets of Samkhya
>
> >This concept of multiple Purushas should be treated with care.
> >Could the great Patanjali have postulated the existence of
> >independent, real, multiple Purushas. According to some legends
>
> The Yogasutra-s themselves do not take any explicit stand on whether there
> are multiple Purusha-s or ultimately only one. On the other hand, the
> Bhashya on the Yogasutra explicitly bases itself upon Samkhya reasoning and
> accepts multiple Purusha-s. In general, when we say "school", we refer to
> the entire tradition encoded in not only the corresponding sUtra-s, but also
> the respective bhAshya, the vRtti-s, vArtika-s, vivaraNa-s, TIkA-s etc.
>
> >Patanjali was the guru of Gaudapada.
>
> That is one legend among many, and we should not constantly jump between
> textual and systematic discussions and legends of one sort or the other. Why
> should we ask, "could such-and-such be so?" by referring to some legend,
> when we still have the original source texts of each school that we can read
> and understand perfectly well?
>
> Vidyasankar
>
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> Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 00:15:29 -0700
> From:    ken knight <hilken_98 at YAHOO.COM>
> Subject: Re: need some information
>
> --- "Rev. Varghese Mathew" <mathew49 at BGL.VSNL.NET.IN>
> wrote:
> >  i would like to know if there is any similatity
> > between the non-dualistic
> > experience in adviata and the hesychasm i.e the
> > jesus prayer of the eastern
> > churches.
>
> Dear John,
> Firstly in relation to the 'hesychast', you will find
> a closer understanding of advaita in the Conferences
> of St. John of the Cross.  The Jesus Prayer to which
> you refer contains words that can have no relevance in
> advaita.'......I am a sinner'.  While the repetition
> of the prayer is Japa, it is first necessary for the
> aspirant to throw away the dogmatic understanding of
> 'I am a sinner' that the bureaucrats in the Church
> have imposed upon those it should care for.
> 'I am the way, the truth and the life, no one can come
> to the Father except by Me.'
> There is no route to 'I and my Father are One' by the
> dualist repetition of 'I am a sinner'.
> We need to look at the meaning of sin but that is
> another story.
> Through Japa, through an understanding of the four
> levels of Speech, it is possible to transcend the
> cultural interpretation of words that are 'on the
> tongue', vaikhari.  This is also another story.
> You will be able to find good material in St John of
> the Cross, as I say above, but your own experience
> will be your teacher. Use the Jesus Prayer, see what
> happens, As the usual understanding of the words
> arises in the mind with all the past associations, let
> them pass, let them fall away and connect with the
> Light which is the 'true Light that lighteth every man
> that cometh into the world.' That is the purusha.
>
> Happy studying
>
> Ken Knight
>
>
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> Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:17:54 -0500
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> Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:17:55 -0500
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> namaste,
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> Here is my introduction:
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> I am interested in advaita-vedAnta since I know of no
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> Here is my introduction:<br>
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> Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 07:52:36 -0700
> From:    Kiran B R <kiranbr at ROCKETMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Question
>
> Namaste,
>
> I have three questions to the group, but I must start
> with a preface.
>
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>
> According to Advaita, the braHmavid is braHman. That
> is,
>
> braHmavid = braHman.
>
> It is clear to me that through the destruction of
> avidyA it is possible for a braHmavid to attain the
> braHman to whom satya, jnana and anatatva are
> attributed. However, it is not clear to me if the
> braHmavid can do anything wonderful in this material
> world at all. I mean, do his powers in the material
> world remain as limited as they were before the
> removal of the veil of avidyA? If the braHmavid was an
> athlete and he could complete 100m in 10s in a state
> of avidyA, can he do it in, let's say 2s when the
> avidyA is removed?
>
> If the entire universe is the maayaa of the braHman,
> it is clear that the braHmavid has the entire maayaa
> in his command. The entire universe is a game he
> plays, and he is free to choose the laws that govern
> this game. If he chooses, he can see to it that when
> we wake up tomorrow, water when heated actually turns
> into ice - and this, for everybody in the world we
> know.
>
> Now to the questions:
>
> Question 1: Am I right in the above analysis? Does the
> braHmavid have this sort of control over the material
> world which is all his maayaa? Can he change (for
> example) the rules of Physics (which are well within
> maayaa) as we know?
>
> Question 2: If yes, where and in which scriptures is
> there mention of such powers being gained by the
> braHmavid?
>
> Question 3: If not, does it mean that the braHmavid,
> with his braHmavidyaa, has still to bow to maayaa? And
> hence that we cannot equate the braHmavid to braHma?
> And does that mean a flaw in Advaita?
>
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Dhanyavaad,
> Kiran
>
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> Date:    Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:31:24 +0200
> From:    Toth Istvan <malikrish at FREEMAIL.HU>
> Subject: names
>
> Would anyone be so kind to help me in the correct
> transliteration of the following names, since I have only
> the English version. It would be a great help for me and I
> would be very thankful.
> Om SAnti,
> Malik
>
> Gadadhar Chatterjee
> Tota Puri
> Sarada Devi
> Mukherji
> Ajja
> Sapt Sarovar
> Ramesh S. Balsekar
> Siddharameshwar Maharaj
> Ranjit Maharaj
> Bhausaheb Maharaj
> Bannanje Govindacharya
> Papa Ram Dass
> Neem Karoli Baba
> Tayumanavar
> Tevaram
> Periapuranam
> Suri Nagamma
> Pathala Lingam
>
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