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Swarna Venkateswara Swamy truthseeker123x at YAHOO.COM
Tue Jul 23 11:51:24 CDT 2002

Dear Kenji,

Many thanks for a thought provoking mail. I need o
read it several times and digest. I did read about
numerology earlier, but from a point of predicting the
future. This is a different perception. Will get back
to you.

--- ken knight <hilken_98 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> --- Swarna Venkateswara Swamy
> <truthseeker123x at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>  Can a similar
> > connection be established between Siva and
> numbers?
> >
> --- Swarna Venkateswara Swamy
> <truthseeker123x at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> > this, somehow caught my attention. Can a similar
> > connection be established between Siva and
> numbers?
> Namaste Swamy,
> This is similar to a question that I asked myself
> some
> years ago.  I was teaching a class of ten year olds
> when the boy who was the least able numerically
> became
> very persistent one day. I was teaching fractions
> when
> he asked, "Where does that number come from?"
> Thinking that he was asking about the factors of a
> number that had suddenly caused these magical
> changes
> I went over factors again. However he was persistent
> in his demands:'Where does that number come from?'
> Suddenly I realised that he was asking about the
> very
> nature of number itself so we changed topics for a
> couple of weeks and explored number. We found that
> there is only one number: 1. The others are merely
> shorthand for writing sets of 1 or ratios. We had
> fun
> trying to convince everyone that 1+1=1 and other
> such
> truths.  However we were left with real questions as
> to the inner meaning of numbers.
> There are mystical numerological traditions in
> Egyptian, Greek and Jewish traditions but personally
> I
> have been unable to connect with that which I have
> read. I believe that for Pythagoras 1 is the
> Absolute,
> 2 is feminine and 3 masculine and 4 justice. These
> then sum up to the Divine Tetractys (10).
> I did purchase a copy of BhAskarAcArya's
> 'LIlAvatI'but
> as it is all in Sanskrit it takes me ages to
> translate.
> Although the list of letters (phonemes) may be
> finite
> the way they can combine is infinite which is the
> same
> with number.
> The only other offering that I can give is the
> eneagram in which the numbers are placed on a circle
> (ie. a point, bindu, in expansion) and each given a
> step in consciousness:
> 1   brahman
> 2 avyaktaprakriti unmanifest nature
> 3 yaktaprakriti    manifest nature
> 4 mahatattva       I am
> 5 akASha           ether
> 6 vAyu             air
> 7 agni             fire
> 8 jala             water
> 9 prithivi         earth
> One interesting point on this is that when you take
> it
> as a reflection so that brahman appears at 9 then
> akAsha still appears at 5 giving it an immoveable,
> stable quality as we experience in true listening.
> So if we take numbers as a denary system then we
> could
> explore this eneagram a little further but maybe a
> binary (0,1) system makes more sense in terms of
> advaita, although I am sure that the Babylonians
> might
> have been able to tell us the meaning of their
> system
> based on 60.
> Final point is that if there is a hierarchy to the
> VedA~ngas thene ShikshA,Chhanda, vyAkaraNa, Nirukta,
> Jyotisha and Kalpa would be the order.
> Final final point as I struggle to remember
> something
> from Shankara's writing. He refers to the story of
> the
> ten men crossing the river and suddenly being awoken
> to the whereabouts of the missing tenth man.
> In that story we have the the  manifestation of the
> nine points on the eneagram and One observing and
> doing the counting.  Together they make 10, one with
> zero.
> I would like to hear from those with more insight in
> advaitin terms to reply to the above question,
> Ken Knight
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