Any query......

[Srikrishna Ghadiyaram]

Hari Om !!

I deeply pity you, for your lack of understanding and
stupidity.

When we are talking of Spirituality at the level of
realisation of oneness, you continue to harp on your
stupid and ignorant ideas of physical body health and
taste, and misconceptions of health taught to you by
so called modern science. The concepts of what is
healthy is different to the modern science than what
is talked at a higher level of health for Body + Mind
+ Spirit in Vedic philosophy.

I do not understanding where you got the meaning of
'greasy' or 'spicy' in the word 'vegetarianism'. You
are linking your ideas to what suits your taste, than
the true spirit of the topic.

My heart cries, how many ignorant people like you are
suffering by mis-deeds, and wrong-interpretations. I
pray that you find some light. Pray to God that you
should learn the true spirit of 'Spiritualism'. Also,
until you understand, do not 'preach' your philosophy
and make others to commit sin, and double your load.

You know America and other countries have shown that
'meat' eaters suffer more cardiac and other serious
problems of health.

All cravings will stop when deseases come. No
exception. It is better to be disciplined now, than
regret when one gets old and suffers the consequences
later.

The current mis-guided generation of India, who
forsake the true value of Indian thought and Vedic
thought, have taken to these false notions in the name
of modern western thought and are distancing from
peace of mind, and true spirituality.

I do not know much. But, can you quote from
Bhagavatam, or Mahabharata or Bhagavad Gita, that
Arjuna or Krishna ate meat ? So,  until you have
authentic proof, do not conclude that because
Kshatriya's eat meat, Lord Krishna should have eaten
meat. Even if it were true, you and I are no
comparison for Bhagavan Sri Krishna. So, let us
understand and practice what has been taught to us.

Also, do not mis-interpret Sattvic etc. in the way
that pleases you. You must understand that this is a
classification system, and suitable suggestions are
given so that people can design their diet, based on
thier true inner aspirations. For the great glory of
being closer to TRUTH, by practice and control of mind
through diet, this classification of food as inducing
Sattvic or Rajasic or Tamasic is given. The
intelligent man follows it and benefits from it. The
weak, neglect those valuable suggestions and suffer.

I can give answers to your questions,  but it is not
worth it at this time. The braoder guide lines are
enough at this time.

May you see the spirit of 'Vegetarianism' and 'Indian
thought'

May God forgive me for my harsh words, which are
solely my hearts cry and wish to make you understand.

Om Namo Narayanaya !!

Srikrishna




--- Somik Raha <somik at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Hi Hemang,
> > I recollect
> > a lecture from  ISCKON where the lecturer teaching
> the GiTa had
> > quoted parts of it which dealt with this effect of
> food on the
> > human body/soul/physique. but that was only one of
> the
> > interpretations.
>
> ISKCON lectures almost always talk about the
> goodness of vegetarianism. They
> base their concept on the sloka in the Gita - "He
> who offers me a fruit, a
> flower or water with devotion, I accept".
>
> Their interpretation is - if Krishna really wanted
> to accept meat - he would
> include it in this list. So by the principle of
> exclusion, and looking at
> the Gita as one would look at other texts like the
> Bible as the be all, end
> all, one shouldnt eat meat, and meat eaters are
> sinners.
>
> My understanding is - you cannot talk about
> non-vegetarianism being a sin,
> and still say you follow the Gita. Bcos the Gita
> also says - "Thou cannot
> kill and thou cannot be killed". And in a parallel
> thread on this list,
> about swarga and naraka, Shri Vaidya talks about
> naraka existing for
> creatures like crabs and shrimps (to create the
> Japanese dish tempura -
> which I as a base sinner love to eat). The whole
> concept of Karma is that
> you get what is due to you from your past actions -
> unless with the
> knowledge of the self, you stop accruing further
> actions, and simply burn
> out your prarabdha. This you can do, only in the
> human state, as is widely
> believed.
>
> The pain and suffering caused to animals - are a
> part of their karma phala.
> And that is the natural cycle of evolution, as
> stronger animals kill weaker
> ones for survival. Folks at ISKCON do say that if
> you have a choice you
> should go for vegetarian. But this really needs to
> be qualified. From
> personal experience - (I stay in Japan, which is a
> nightmare for
> vegetarians), the Indian restaurants here suck big
> time - bcos they serve
> oily, greasy, spicy food. My criticism is purely on
> my perception bcos I
> have a big problem with such food (for health
> reasons). And I love to eat
> the grilled fish which is cooked with almost no
> spice or oil  - its bland
> and very good for health. I would safely classify
> Indian vegetarian food in
> the restaurants as Rajasic (nowhere near sattvic).
>
> Going at the definition of sattvic, rajasic, and
> tamasic food from the
> Gita - I have not found anywhere that non-vegetarian
> food is tamasic or
> rajasic. But the Gita does say - "Food that
> nourishes you, improves your
> health can be considered sattvic, food that incites
> your passions and is
> meant only to please the tongue, is rajasic, while
> that which is stale or
> putrid is tamasic."
>
> From this definition - I am left without much doubt
> about the misconceptions
> of the sinfulness of non-vegetarianism.
>
> However, my friends at ISKCON think differently. In
> a recent discussion, I
> was told that non-vegetarians can be considered to
> be murderers - just like
> anyone who abets a murder is also a party to the
> murder. Since we have the
> option of being vegetarian (notwithstanding the fact
> that its impossible for
> bachelors in IT in Japan with 14 hour work
> schedules), we should be so.
> However, when I asked him whether all the people in
> Iceland can be called
> murderers (for they dont eat any vegetarian food due
> to their environment),
> I was told I should not think about the people of
> Iceland (they are probably
> not beneficial to this discussion).
>
> On the other hand - I always prefer the home-made
> vegetarian food in
> ndia  - back home, non-vegetarian Indian is the
> worst from the point of
> digestion bcos of the amount of oil and spice used.
> I take veg when I get
> the chance - not bcos I believe it makes me less of
> a sinner, but bcos it is
> simply easier to digest. I can completely buy the
> argument that veg is good
> when cooked with less oil and spice bcos its good
> for health and whats good
> for health is good for the mind, and ultimately the
> spirit. But when non-veg
> food turns out to be better than veg in the options
> that one has in this
> criterion - I see no reason to be fundamental about
> it.
>
> Historical facts about the Mahabharata would show
> that kshatriyas were known
> meat eaters - which includes Arjuna and Lord Krishna
> (but by now I have said
> enough scandalous things).
>
> (Pls note : I have deep respect and love for my
> friends of ISKCON, inspite
> of deep differences with their philosophy and these
> opinions are my own from
> a logical point of view - at my current level of
> understanding, which is
> low. I did try vegetarianism for one whole month in
> Tokyo after being
> inspired by them, but I realized I had either to
> marry (as almost all the
> ISKCON people here have their families here to look
> after them - or they
> have the time to cook) or revert back to non-veg.
> The latter was feasible
> for me)
>
> Regards,
> Somik
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hemang Chamakuzhi Subramanian"
> <hemangcs at REDIFFMAIL.COM>
> To: <ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:24 PM
> Subject: Any query......
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >   According to the philosophy of Advaitha, the
> non-duality of the
> > self and the almighty is embodied in various
> scriptures, which
> > expotiates the power of the Almighty, The same
> almighty encomposes
> > the cosmos.
> >
> >         One question which I could not find an
> answer to....by
> > reading quite some literature with regards to this
> all pervasive
> > power, is the metabolic activity of the human
> body.
> >
> >      could anyone guide me as to which parts of
> the scriptures
> > deal with the food habits, which type of food
> causes what
> > affect/which type of food cleanses the soul/ why
> is
> > non-vegeterianism forbid...for if the almighty
> pervades all then
> > what is the difference between an egg of a fowl
> and a mango(both
> > expotiate life, both are metabolically digested,
> both procreate
> > into next generation).
> >
> >    Is there any literature available on this
> subject. I recollect
> > a lecture from  ISCKON where the lecturer teaching
> the GiTa had
> > quoted parts of it which dealt with this effect of
> food on the
> > human body/soul/physique. but that was only one of
> the
> > interpretations.
> >
> >   Any responses would sincerely be appreciated.
> would the
> > enlightened embody me with some pointers to this
> subject..
> >
> > Regards.
> > =H.C Subramanian
> >
>
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