Dating of the Mahabharata

Srikrishna Ghadiyaram srikrishna_ghadiyaram at YAHOO.COM
Mon Apr 28 16:29:06 CDT 2003

Hari Om !!

Based on a recent post from Sri B. Shankar and his
reference of the article by Sri K.V. Venkataramana
1991 Star Teller magazine):
" All my
efforts ending in failure, I was about to give up my
research in
despair on
the eve of a Janmashtami Day in absolute
self-surrender to Him. When I
in that prayerful mood, a wonderful horoscope not
hitherto available
flashed before my mind. I immediately pressed all my
to find out the horoscope. Lo!, my joy knew no bounds
to find the exact
horoscope 44778 days before Gatha Kali in 3224 BCE i.e
125 Lunar (not
years) before Kali Yuga."

where as Sri Sadananda's referred article says "Sri
Krishna's Birth - He was born on 3112B.C. on Friday at
11:40 PM."

These two dates do not seem to match.

Would someone have comments.

Om Namo Narayanaya !!


--- bhaskar.yr at IN.ABB.COM wrote:
> praNAm prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
> This mesg. is from Sri Sadananda prabhuji in
> Advaita-L list.  Hope this
> would help you.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
> //quote//
> Sometime back when I was in India on Sabbatical, I
> came across an
> article in Telugu and I translated it and posted it
> in advaitin list.
>  Since the topic is concerned about the data of
> kaliyuga etc, I am
> taking the liberty to post in this list for those
> who are interested,
> for whatever it is worth.
> Hari OM!
> Sadananda
>                      Historicity of Mahabharat
> This article is based on the information that I
> found in March 1995
> issue of "Saptagiri" published in Telugu by Tirumala
> Tirupati
> Devastaanam, authored by Shrii Janamaddi Hanumanta
> Rao. The article
> itself was based on the research effort by Professor
> K. Srinivasa
> Raghavan. The research was acclaimed by several
> famous pundits of
> Panchanga Shaastra including the Secretary of the
> All India Panchanga
> Samskarana Sangha, Pandit Radhashyaam Shaastri from
> Hariyana, and
> Vice chancellor of Sourashtra University, Shrii D.R.
> Mankad, etc.
> Based on the astrological information provided by
> Veda Vyaasa
> (Position of the stars etc), Mahabharat war was
> estimated to have
> started on 3067B.C. on 22nd November. On the day of
> the war, the
> astrological positions of the Sun, Moon, Rahu,
> Saturn, Guru, Mangala
> and Sukra planets have been described by Vyaasa. By
> looking at the
> position based on Panchangam, Indian Calendar, and
> matching with the
> position of the stars described by Vyaas and
> comparing with the
> Julian Calendar, one can arrive at the precise dates
> for the war.
> Furthermore all other related incidents that took
> place before and
> after the war were described in Mahabhaarat, and the
> dates for these
> can be precisely matched with the Julian calendar,
> as discussed
> bellow.
> Shrii Krishna made a last minute effort to make
> peace but failed. He
> left the Upaplaavya city on Kaartiika Shuddha
> Dvaadasi day in Revati
> Nakshatra (star) between 7:36 - 8:24AM. He reached
> Hastinaapura in
> Bharani Nakshatra, and had discussions with the
> Kouravaas till
> Pushyami Nakshatra. The day Duryodhana rejected the
> peace proposal
> was Krishna Pancami. Krishna left Hastinaapura, and
> had consultations
> with KarNa before he departed. (He revealed to KarNa
> that he was the
> eldest son of Kunti) on Uttara Palghuni day. Krishna
> informed KarNa
> that Duryodhana must get ready to fight, seventh day
> from that day,
> which will be Amaavaasya day (New-moon day) with
> JyeshTa Nakshatra.
> Krishna returned to Upaplaavya city on Chitta
> Nakshatra. Three days
> after that on Anuradha Nakshatra Balarama came to
> Upaplaavya. Next
> Pushya Nakshtra day Pandavaas left with Krishna to
> Kurukshetra.
> Fifteen days after return from Upaplaavya city,
> Balarama left on
> Punarvasu Nakshatra on the tour of sacred places.
> (Balarama did not
> want to participate in the war that involved cousins
> on both sides).
> He returned to Kurukshetra after forty-two days in
> the ShravaNa
> Nakshatra. The war already started eighteen days
> back. On the
> nineteenth day, BahuLa Caturdashi day on ShravaNa
> Nakshatra,
> Duryodhana died. It was the fifty-ninth day after
> Amaavaasya with
> JyeshTaa Nakshatra.
> Krishana returned from Hastinaapura after his
> unsuccessful peace
> mission on Uttara Palghuna day. Starting from that
> day, the seventh
> day is New-moon day (amaavaasya) with Saturn on
> Rohini Nakshatra as
> discussed by Vyaasa. Rahu was approaching the Sun,
> and the Moon was
> turning towards Amaavaasya (New-Moon day).
> 36 years after the Mahabharat war, Yaadava kula was
> destroyed. This
> was predicted by Krishana by astrological happening
> - "Rahu has
> compressed
> Purnima on Chaturdasi day. This happened once before
> the Mahabharata
> war and again will be happening soon and this will
> lead to our
> destruction".
> He remembered Gandhari's curse on the Yadava kula.
> Astrologically a strange phenomenon occurred during
> the Mahabharata
> war. The lunar cycle (paksha - normally is 15 days)
> sometimes happens
> in fourteen days. But during the Mahabharata
> war-time a rare thing
> happened - the paksha got compressed to 13 days.
> (May be 13 is a bad
> number). This aspect has been discussed in the
> Bhiishma parva - 3rd
> Adhyaaya. Guru and Shani are in Vaishaaka, Moon and
> the Sun entered
> in the same house one after the other making
> amaavaasya on the
> Trayodasi day it self . This peculiar condensation
> of the thithiis
> into thirteen from fifteen is a rare phenomenon as
> discussed by
> Vyaasa in Mahabharat and has inevitably followed by
> mass destruction
> due to war. This incident provided a direct means to
> establish the
> precise date of Mahabharat war.
> According to Julian calendar this type of planetary
> collusion
> occurred definitely in 3076 BC in November. Vyaasa
> writes:
>  caturdashiim panchadashiim
>   bhuuta puurvamca shoodhashiim
>   imaantu naabhi jaaneham
>   amaavaasyaam trayodashiim
>  chandra suurya bhougrastou
>  ekamevam trayodashiim
>  aparvaNi grahaNe tou
>  prajaa sakshapaishyataH||
>  " I have seen fourteen days a paksha, fifteen day
> completion or
> extension to sixteenth day also. This amaavaasya
> falling on the
> thirteenth day itself I have never seen before" -
> says Vyasa. That,
> on the same month Sun and Moon eclipses falling
> during the missing
> thithiis is a rare phenomenon, resulting in
> large-scale disaster to
> people.
> One month before, in Margashira, during
> Purvaashhaada Nakshatra,
> armies of Pandavaas and Kouravaas have assembled on
> the West and the
> East sides of the Hiranya river , respectively. The
> next day was
> Navaraatri and Durga Puja day. Duryodhana was
> itching for the war.
> That evening Duryodhana sends a word with Sekuni's
> son Ulaka, " We
> have finished the prayer to the arms and everybody
> is ready - why
> there is further delay in starting the war?" The
> next day, Margashira
> Shudda Ekadashi day, in KRittika Nakshatra, the war
> started. Hence,
> the famous Bhagavad Geeta teaching also started on
> that
=== message truncated ===

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>>I have a doubt. If the Atman described is jIva, then referring to the
>> >>third state, a state where Self-realization has not yet occured, why
>> >>does the upanishad say that it is the lord of all beings etc? We are
>> >>not experiencing ourself as the lord of the universe in the third
>> >>state.

If I may add a comment,

In vishva (waking) and taijasa (dream) states our biological systems are
failure driven. That is the reason why we get tired after being awake all
day and sleep for 8 hours. If these states were full of happiness they would
have surely lasted for ever.

When a failure is experienced in waking or dream states, we go back to
prajna for help, and after receiving help from prajna we return to our daily
life. This process happens so fast, we never notice it. We think of
ourselves as super heros for resolving the problem, whereas the credit
really goes to prajna. Prajna is awake for the whole life time of the
organism from birth to death and never sleeps. Even though prajna is called
deep-sleep state, prajna itself never sleeps! Prajna is awake even in waking
and dream states and supports these states in their failures every fraction
of a second. In deep sleep prajna is in full control of the body and organs.

The reason why deep-sleep state is lord of all is this:

vishva and taijasa states are limited, so my vishva is different from your
vishva, and my taijasa is different from your taijasa.

But deep-sleep state of one person is no different from that of another
person. As no person or living being can be in any state higher than
deep-sleep state, and no situation in life is beyond the reach of prajna,
and prajna can recover a failed system from any state of turmoil, deep-sleep
state is logically the lord of all beings.

>>Given this, can one say that Atman here refers to jIva?

If jIva means something limited, then prajna is unlimited and equated to
paramAtma. Prajna is the lord of all beings, also because the state of any
being in waking or dream states is included in the prjna state.

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