[Advaita-l] Causal Body

[K Kathirasan NCS]

Namaste Jayji,

What I am saying is this. What you see as consistency or samanvaya in the
Shruti is based on your aptitude. What I see is based on my aptitude. So I
may be able to see what you are seeing and perhaps even beyond. The same
applies to you.  You see duality expounded in the shruti. What I see is
non-duality IN SPITE of duality expounded in the Shruti. You can't change
that because that's exactly what my buddhi says is right. The whole Advaita
Vedanta tradition uses the prasthana traya as a basis for their Siddhanta
just like the rest. It is just that plain simple. There is no point in
debating with us. We don't see contradicting pramanas, internal
inconsistency etc. 

You asked, "Now you tell me why other Acharyas should not walk away and
create their own siddhAnta?"

They are free to do so. And so are we free to point the defects in other
Siddhantas and we give the same freedom to them. Like I mentioned earlier,
it is all aptitude and maturity. If we don't have it, we can't see it. When
we can't see it, we assume thata there is a problem with the Siddhanta but
NOT with ourselves. This is the problem. 

Remember, we are not dismissing duality. We are saying in Non-duality IN
SPITE of Duality. Have a great day. 


best regards,
K Kathirasan

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Jay Nelamangala [SMTP:jay at r-c-i.com]
> Sent:	Friday, June 06, 2003 10:49 AM
> To:	ADVAITA-L at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> Subject:	Re: [Advaita-l] Causal Body
> 
> Namaste Kathirasan-jI,
> 
> Good to hear form you again.  You are right.  Everyone has answers.
> 
> Yes, I am sure every school vedAntic and non-vEdAntic will have
> their own answers on every question.   But  do those answers have
> internal consistency is the question.   Either they will be contradicting
> themselves, or they will be contradicting what is in prasthAna-traya.
> That is why one has to filter out all these answers, and go with a
> philosophy that is sound, that does not contradict other pramANas,
> that does not contradict itself, and that is consistent with entire Veda.
> 
> > factor in understanding truth is the competency of the seeker. If a
> seeker
> > is not competent, teaching 'Tat Tvam Asi' a hundred times will not
> create
> 
> They do this,  because they find the interpretation given to "tat tvam
> asi"
> as "That thou art"  by advaita vEdaanta to be inconsistent with the
> context
> in which it appears in the upanishat.
> 
> For an arrogant ShwEtakEtu,  his father is teaching  Brahma-vidyA.
> That is the context of chAndOgya in which "sa AtmAtatvamasi" occurs.
> 
> ShwEtakEtu!  why are you arrogant? why do you think you know it all?
> Don't you know that you are already the all knowing Brahman?
> OR
> ShwEtakEtu! why are you arrogant?  why do you think you know it all?
> Don't you know how little you are in front of that all knowing Brahman?.
> 
> Which one of these meanings is "internally inconsistent" with our
> experience,
> inconsistent with the upanishadic context.   You decide which is
> admissible
> and which is not.
> 
> Further,  the text itself can be split as "sa AtmA atat tvamasi" which
> makes
> lot more sense in the context of the upanishat as "that thou art not".
> 
> > any change in him and he will walk away creating his own siddhanta which
> may
> > teach a completely different doctrine. Advaita Vedantins do spell out
> the
> 
> Now you tell me why other Acharyas should not walk away and create their
> own
> siddhAnta.?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "K Kathirasan NCS" <kkathir at ncs.com.sg>
> To: <ADVAITA-L at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:19 PM
> Subject: RE: [Advaita-l] Causal Body
> 
> 
> > Namaste Jayji,
> >
> > You asked, "Why do you think dvaita vedAnta has no answers to your
> > questions?" to Sadanandaji.
> >
> > Dvaita Vedanta, Visishtadvaita Vedanta, Advaita Vedanta, Islam,
> Buddhism,
> > Christianity, Satanism etc.... all have various answers to all kinds of
> > questions. So I sincerely believe that you have answers for all
> questions
> > and I have no doubts about it. But ultimately it boils down to the fact
> that
> > seekers are very different in nature. That is why we have takers for
> even
> > philosophies expounded by people like David Koresh & Charles Manson.
> Whether
> > or not one is able to accept your answers or any other answer heavily
> > depends on the maturity of the seeker. For every question asked, there
> could
> > be a hundred answers coming from various siddhantins but the most
> important
> > factor in understanding truth is the competency of the seeker. If a
> seeker
> > is not competent, teaching 'Tat Tvam Asi' a hundred times will not
> create
> > any change in him and he will walk away creating his own siddhanta which
> may
> > teach a completely different doctrine. Advaita Vedantins do spell out
> the
> > qualifications of the seeker in the form of Sadhana Chatushtaya.  If one
> > does not possess one or more of the qualifications, the possibility of
> > understanding Advaita Siddhanta is very slim.
> >
> > best regards,
> > K Kathirasan
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jay Nelamangala [SMTP:jay at r-c-i.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:46 AM
> > > To: ADVAITA-L at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Causal Body
> > >
> > > Dear sadAnanda,
> > >
> > > You have asked a myriad of questions.   I will get to each one of
> those.
> > > A question takes a single line of typing.  Answer to it takes a
> paragraph
> > > of typing.
> > >
> > > > seer and what is seen.  At this stage of the game it is enough for
> me
> > > > that you agreed that the loukika experience is not considered as
> > > > pramaaNa.
> > >
> > > Loukika experience is not considered as pramANa for the knowledge
> > > of parabrahman.   For perception,  you don't need Agama.
> > >
> > > What is here that is so difficult to understand?.   I will get to all
> your
> > > questions.  Do you know how many emails I sent out today?
> > > Why do you think dvaita vedAnta has no answers to your questions?
> > >
> > > Please give me a break!
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:11 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Causal Body
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Jay -Sorry -  you have not answered the question I posed, and look
> again
> > > > I have not skipped - parabrahma comes later once we establish who is
> the
> > > > seer and what is seen.  At this stage of the game it is enough for
> me
> > > > that you agreed that the loukika experience is not considered as
> > > > pramaaNa. The rest is irrelavant to the question I have asked. So I
> have
> > > > not skipped any relavent parts.
> > > >
> > > > I will ask again.
> > > >
> > > > Can you tell me how one perceives an object while senses are
> measuring
> > > > the  qualities.
> > > >
> > > > If you have no convincing answer say so. I will asuume your model
> does
> > > > not account properly.
> > > >
> > > > We can proceed further after that. Otherwise with all due respects I
> > > > will end the discussion with you right here since there is no point
> for
> > > > me to continue.
> > > >
> > > > Hari OM!
> > > > Sadananda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > > What you have is His gift to you and what you do with what you have
> is
> > > your gift to Him - Swami Chinmayananda.
> > > >
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