[Advaita-l] An adhyAsa challenge

[Jay Nelamangala]

Mr. Kartik Jayanaryanan,

Namaste.

> 
> I hereby challenge you to a debate, you simply have to
> reply to this posting if you accept the following
> terms of the debate:
>

Why call it a challenge?   It is understanding of adhyAsa.
You are welcome to show where my posting on adhyAsa
is not according to vivaraNa-pramEya-samgraha of Sri
VidyAraNya.

> 
> Premise: logic and experience only, no quotes from
> shruti or smR^iti.
> 

If you are not interested in vEdaanta,  I am not interested
in any discussion with you.  But,  if you think adhyAsa is
according to what is in shruti-smriti-sootras,  then only
I am interested.   Therefore,  this premise is not acceptable.

> 
> I declare that you and your school are incapable of
> providing a satisfactory answer to the following
> question:
> 

Declarations and  pramANas are two different things.
If you declare with pramANa, we will discuss it.
If you want to just declare,  have fun.  Don't involve me.

> A co-existence of the Self that is of the nature of
> consciousness with the body that is of the nature of
> the unconscious ought to be impossible (indeed, one
> might as well consider light to co-exist with
> darkness), yet, it so happens that people perceive a
> connection between the Self and the body - how do you
> explain this?
> 

A little bit of study of Geetha,  tells us that body is like
a shirt that we wear.  The jeeva wears it till it gets old, then
throws it away and gets another shirt (body).
So, when the jeeva gets a new body, we say a child is born.
When a jeeva throws away his body, we say the person died.
That is how we explain it.

Thus,  jeeva is the deha-abhimAniNI or the enabler
of body by being in it.  Deha is jada, it can not act on its own.
That is the connection between the two.

> 
> Consequences: if the referees decide that your answer
> to the above question is invalid, then you will
> immediately quit your postings on adhyAsa, else I'll
> quit mine. 
> 
If moderators ask me to quit,  I will respect their decision.
Why don't you check with  Jaladhar vyAs first?

I would like to hear from other moderators as well.

Thanks and regards,

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S Jayanarayanan" <sjayana at yahoo.com>
To: "advaita-l" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: [Advaita-l] An adhyAsa challenge


> --- Jay Nelamangala <jay at r-c-i.com> wrote:
> > 
> > It is owing to such superposition we have such
> > experiences as 
> > "I have the body",  "This body is mine" etc.  It is
> > possible to
> > hold that we have got these experiences because
> > Atman and body etc
> > are just in such relation as substance and quality
> > are.
> 
> Mr. Jay Nelamangala,
> 
> The signal-to-noise ratio on this list is unusually
> low compared to any other list of its kind, and I find
> particularly your posts on adhyAsa possessing no
> understanding of the fundamentals of adhyAsa. 
> 
> I hereby challenge you to a debate, you simply have to
> reply to this posting if you accept the following
> terms of the debate:
> 
> Referees: advaita-l list moderators.
> 
> Premise: logic and experience only, no quotes from
> shruti or smR^iti.
> 
> The debate:
> 
> (1) Surely, you will accept that the Self is
> conscious.
> 
> (2) Surely, you will also accept that the body is
> inert or unconscious. 
> 
> (3) We observe, as a matter of experience, that one
> assumes a relationship between the Self and the body
> ("I am tall", "I am typing this email" etc.). 
> 
> I declare that you and your school are incapable of
> providing a satisfactory answer to the following
> question:
> 
> A co-existence of the Self that is of the nature of
> consciousness with the body that is of the nature of
> the unconscious ought to be impossible (indeed, one
> might as well consider light to co-exist with
> darkness), yet, it so happens that people perceive a
> connection between the Self and the body - how do you
> explain this?
> 
> Consequences: if the referees decide that your answer
> to the above question is invalid, then you will
> immediately quit your postings on adhyAsa, else I'll
> quit mine. 
> 
> -Kartik
> 
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