[Advaita-l] Appaiya Dikshita

[venkata subramanian]

Dear All, 

This is a very news to me.  Has Appaiya Dikshita been
defeated in any debate ??!!!  where ?! when ?!  
any one who has read his works has acknowledged his
mastery !!  
how then is this so ?!!


--- guru prasad <ghunsenh at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear members,
>     Its intersting to note the discussions that has
> been going on the topic. I would like to add a few
> words..
> 
> --- "Kotekal, Srinivas [Non-Employee/0200]"
> <srinivas.kotekal at pharmacia.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Vidyashankar,
> > 
> > I would like to add my two cents about your
> > impression about Dvaita school.
> > 
> > >Difficulties in dvaita caused the gauDIya
> > vaishNava-s to design an "acintya
> > 
> As far as my awareness goes, no school was started
> after Dvaita was established, to refute Dvaita. if
> there were any dificulties, its only due to their
> own
> short-comings and not in the Philosophy itself.
> 
> > >bhedAbheda" school and the pushTi-mArgI
> vaishNavas
> > of the vallabha 
> > >sampradAya to come up with a "SuddhAdvaita"
> school.
> > 
> > 
> > It is classical misunderstanding about Dvaita
> > School. Do you really fail to
> > see difference between advent of Dvaita vs. that
> of
> > later schools ?  Dvaita
> > is not  **just another** school as you think.
> > 
> Right, Dvaita was propounded after meticulously
> analysis of word to word, I should say letter to
> letter extraction from 21 previous SidhanTha's. So
> in
> those days in order to establish an entirely new
> system based on its own etimology and ontolgy is not
> a
> easy task, so its not like any backyard schools. 
>    Even though various debates were held against
> Advaita, one should note that, Advaita not the only
> school that dvaita refuts, its a common mistake that
> people think that Dvaita was formed only to refute
> Advaita, all 21 schools are refuted. On the same
> guidelines, other schools have refuted Advaita so
> the
> notion is not uncommon.
> 
> > Just having new school is not same as having new
> > school and having full
> > spectrum of dialectical works to refute earlier
> > schools.   Aren't  you aware
> > of Dvaita's extensive dialectical works against
> > advaita ?  aren't  you
> > aware of these works created by founder as well as
> > great scholars through
> > out it's glorious history ? Don't take my word for
> > it, but look at what a
> > third party like DasGupta has to say about it. ( I
> > know you won't trust BNK)
> > 
> > 
> > Similarly, do you have any case of  "acintya
> > bhedAbheda" or "SuddhAdvaita"
> > refuting Dvaita's position ? any major works of
> > those schools against Dvaita
> > ?
> > 
> > Just because those schools are later to Dvaita, it
> > is not necessary to mean
> > that they offer something better or opposed to
> > Dvaita. 
> > 
> Right, In addition to that, the other schools formed
> after Dvaita have deficiecies to explain and produce
> strong SadAgamas like Dvaita quotes. Most of the
> neo-Vedantins like Chaintinya etc., were formed to
> fulfill the needs of the western world and their
> affulence.
> 
> > >And numerous difficulties in all these schools
> > cause people like me to
> > reaffirm advaita. 
> > 
> > Really ? why do you think so many scholars of
> > Advaita realized the problem
> > and adopted Dvaita in the past ?
> > 
> > >If you think that the last word on vedAnta was
> > spoken at the advent of 
> > >dvaita a few centuries ago, or if you expect any
> of
> > us to believe so, you 
> > >are highly mistaken.
> > 
>  Nobody will ask what you believe is correct or not,
> you belief is based on your decision, but that does
> not suffice to  conclude that you are correct.
> Correctness is based on debates. IF you look back
> into
> your own history, there are records, AppayaDikshit
> was
> defeated on a daily basis, VIdhyaRanya etc., all
> faced
> the challenges and they were all more well-versed,
> but
> finally they bow down to their opponents. So if you
> as
> an individual, thinks Dvaita or anything else  is
> not
> a good fit for you, you are welcome to do so. 
> 
> Views here are only constructive and not directed at
> individual(s).
> 
> Regards,
> Guruprasad.
> 
> > You believe it or not is up to you.  But facts can
> > not be pushed under the
> > carpet. 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Srinivas.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Nelamangala [mailto:jay at r-c-i.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:33 PM
> > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Re: The current
> > advaita-dvaita debate
> > 
> > 
> > Dear vidyAshankar,
> > 
> > >Difficulties in dvaita caused the gauDIya
> > vaishNava-s to design an "acintya
> > >bhedAbheda" school and the pushTi-mArgI
> vaishNavas
> > of the vallabha
> > >sampradAya to come up with a "SuddhAdvaita"
> school.
> > And numerous
> > >difficulties in all these schools cause people
> like
> > me to reaffirm advaita.
> > 
> > This sounds more like arguing for the sake of
> > arguing.
> > 
> > Why did you leave NimbArka?
> > 
> > Sri Vallabha did not start his sampradAya because
> he
> > had difficulties with
> > dvaita.
> > VallabhAchArya started "shuddhAdvaita"  because he
> > found major fault with
> > advaita, he says that advaita was made ashuddha
> > (impure) by bringing in
> > mAyA    The following website has good info on the
> > school of Vallabha.
> > 
> >
>
http://philtar.ucsm.ac.uk/encyclopedia/hindu/devot/vallab.html
> > I would like the readers to take a good look at
> the
> > website,
> > and see for themselves if what VidyAshankar claims
> > makes sense or not.
> > Here is a quote from that website :
> > 
> > "There is one existent Being only - Shri Krishna
> > Parabrahman, called also
> > Purushottam ("highest Person", in the Gita),
> > Bhagavan ("lord", in the
> > Bhagavata Purana), or Brahman (in the Upanishads);
> > that only Parabrahman
> > exists is uncompromisingly asserted. To Vallabha,
> > the way in which Shankara
> > and Advaita brought in maya as the explanation for
> > the origin of the
> > physical universe allowed in a second entity
> > alongside Brahman, a
> > possibility to be rejected outright."
> > 
> > As far, "achintya bhEdAbhEda" of  shree Chaitanya,
> 
> > again you are wrong,
> > because their "affinity and love" for mAyAvAdins
> is
> > very well known.
> > In fact,  some of them claim that they are an
> > offshoot from the school of
> 
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Thanks & Regards,
Venkat.

Sadgurubhyo Namah.

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