Dvaita and Sophistry - Part 2(Reality and Unreality)

[kalyan chakravarthy]

Namaskaaram,

>Before we get ahead of ourselves, do you have any rational or valid
>basis
>for these questions and answers?  How many classical scholars or texts
>can you suggest which respond with a "why should I answer" to anything?

Is it not a matter of commonsense that the reason why a question must be
answered be examined? Does it require years of study of books to get common
sense? A comprehensive philosophy must answer all possible questions.

>You are merely setting up a strawman, and have not cited anything from
>the website correctly.  Your arguments merely expose your own lack of
>understanding (or even lack of reading comprehension!).

If the website is really yours, then it exposes your own sophistry.

>As was stated in the other forum, there is no single property called
>"the
>difference between the real and the unreal" that is inherent to both.

Excuse me. What is this other forum? How can you justify your statement that
there is no single property called difference between the real and the
unreal? What makes you say that difference is a property in the first place?


>I might also add that it was rather unworthy on your part to beat a
>hasty
>retreat from the forum where this issue was previously discussed, and
>import it into another one (which you assumed would not have anyone to
>challenge your strawman attack).  Hardly shows mature thinking or
>conviction.

Excuse me again. I dont understand what you are trying to tell here. Pardon
me for asking this, but I dont ever remember meeting you before, either
personally or otherwise.

Best Regards
Kalyan



>From: Shrisha Rao <shrirao1 at MCHSI.COM>
>Reply-To: List for advaita vedanta as taught by Shri Shankara
><ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
>To: ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG
>Subject: Re: Dvaita and Sophistry - Part 2(Reality and Unreality)
>Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:24:17 -0600
>
>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, kalyan chakravarthy wrote:
>
>Please excuse me for any irritation my response may cause; I really
>would
>not have, but for the fact that this gentleman mentions my website
>explicitly:
>
> > The pseudo-logical web-site www.dvaita.org claims that the entities
>being
> > real the differences are also real.
>
>Please rest assured that I do not intend to carry this argument any
>further.
>
> > QUESTION 1.
> > What if one of the entities in unreal and the other is real?
> >
> > ANSWER 1.
> > Why should I answer this question?
>
>Before we get ahead of ourselves, do you have any rational or valid
>basis
>for these questions and answers?  How many classical scholars or texts
>can you suggest which respond with a "why should I answer" to anything?
>
>You are merely setting up a strawman, and have not cited anything from
>the website correctly.  Your arguments merely expose your own lack of
>understanding (or even lack of reading comprehension!).
>
> > QUESTION 2.
> > How else will you differentiate the real and unreal? If you cannot
>answer
> > this question, then the difference between the real and unreal is not
> > addressed and so Dvaita can be thrown into the dustbin. And mind you,
>this
> > difference is not just a difference in properties. No more boastings
>of
> > Dvaita being a complete or logical philosophy.
> >
> > ANSWER 3.
> > OK. OK. I say the difference between the real entity and unreal
>entity is
> > inherent to the entity.
>
>Not so, and this has been clarified before.
>
> > QUESTION 4.
> > Which entity? The real one or the unreal one. In Part 1, we have seen
>that
> > the difference between entity 1 and entity 2 being equivalent, if this
> > difference is inherent to the first entity, then it must be inherent
>to the
> > second.
> >
> > REPLY 4.
> > OK. The difference between the real and unreal is inherent to both
>the real
> > and unreal entities.
>
>As was stated in the other forum, there is no single property called
>"the
>difference between the real and the unreal" that is inherent to both.
>You have merely excellently demonstrated a logical fallacy in your own
>understanding.  Rather, difference of a real object from everything else
>(other reals, as well as unreals) is a property of that object only, not
>a common property of the object and another it is different from.
>
>As such, the following fails to apply:
>
> > QUESTION 5.
> > As this difference is inherent to the real entity, the difference is
>real.
> > And as the difference is inherent to the unreal entity, the
>difference is
> > unreal. So, is this difference real or unreal? Remember that Dvaita
>does not
> > accept any stage of reality other than the real and the unreal. So,
>even
> > according to Dvaita, what is this difference?
> > IS THE DIFFERENCE REAL OR UNREAL?
> >
> > NOW TO MY FELLOW ADVAITINS
> >
> > Now my friends, dont you think that the sophistry of Dvaita in
>accepting
> > things to be only real or only unreal is exposed? Even by their own
> > pseudo-logic, they directly arrive at an entity, which is other than
>real
> > and also other than the unreal. Thus, the Dvaitin is deceiving
>himself when
> > he says that there is no such thing as "neither real nor unreal, nor
>both,
> > nor neither".
> >
> >
> > THUS DVAITA CAN BE THROWN INTO THE DUSTBIN.
>
>I might also add that it was rather unworthy on your part to beat a
>hasty
>retreat from the forum where this issue was previously discussed, and
>import it into another one (which you assumed would not have anyone to
>challenge your strawman attack).  Hardly shows mature thinking or
>conviction.
>
>Evidently, what rightly belong in the dustbin are your false pride and
>lack of understanding.  Read, with much attention, what Sri Sankara
>himself
>says about the need for viveka in spirituality, and its prerequisites.
>
>Regards,
>
>Shrisha Rao
>
> > Kalyan


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