[Advaita-l] Sankaracharya

rohit ubhayaker rohit8ganesh at yahoo.co.in
Fri Apr 9 06:16:33 CDT 2004

Dear  Saadhakas ,
That  Shrimadaachaarya  established  the  Mathas  at  Badaridhaama, Dvaarkaa , Puri  and  Shringeri  can  never  be  contested .
Even  the  establishment  of  other  Mathas  can  never  be  denied , just  because  ill - informed  people  like  Nehru  seem  not  to  refer  to  them.
In  writing  the history  of  someone  as  dynamic  as  Shrimadaachaarya , all  Matha  histories  need  to  be  studied  carefully .
The  Sumeru-Paadukaa  Matha  at  Kaashi , the  Kaamakoti  Matha  at  Kanchi ,  the  Svarnavalli  Matha  at  Sonda-Sirsi , the  Raamachandrapura Matha  at  Hosnagar , and  the  various  Mathas  near  Thrissur in  Kerala  have  well recorded  histories . A  study  of  these  will  give  us  more  details  of  Shrimadaachaarya's  life .
Various  authors  or  historians  like  Nehru , Max  Mueller ,etc. ( with  all  due  respects )  were  never  committed to  the  betterment  of  Advaita  or  the  history  of the  Shaankaramathas .
It  may  be  safer  to  believe  traditional  accounts  simply  because  once traditional  beliefs  are  shaken one  may  become " Iha  loke nashte , Para  loke  bhrashte !"
Besides , what  the  Kaamakoti  Matha  has  achieved , only  the  Shringeri  Matha  has  equalled  as  far  as  Advaitaprachaara  goes .
With  Love , 
Rohit  N. Ubhayaker.

Ravishankar Venkatraman <sunlike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>The origin of the Kanchi Mutt is a highly debatable issue. While there is 
>lot of visibility in the last nearly 100 years, the Kanchi Mutt seems to 
>have been unknown before that.

As also the origins of other mutts which seem to have been established by 
the same Adi Sankara across several centuries (with 3 of them 5 centuries 
before the advent of Christ and one after 7 centuries after Christ). How 
many Sankaras should have existed?

>Oral traditions on Sankara Mutts which have come down centuries had no 
>references to a Sankara Mutt in Kanchi.
How many oral traditions are you talking here?
>While these traditions have recognized even mutts like Badrinath, Dwaraka 
>which have had gaps in their lineages these oral traditions do not 
>recognize the Kanchi Mutt which is supposed to have unbroken succession.
That is one oral major tradition, which is certainly very strong. My 
respects to the followers of this tradition.

>If you look at books written by eminent men till 100 years back, same is 
>the case .Even in the later writings of Jawaharlal Nehru, 
>Dr.S.Radhakrishnan, Swami Sivananda, Ramakrishna Mutt one would find only 
>the four Mutts. These people had no special reason to do so.They were only 
>recording what tradition said in this matter.

Why do not you look at other books written by people who lived at least a 
century before even the so-called Kumbakonam mutt was established (in 
1800s), including traditional accounts on Sri Sankara's life?

>Today the information regarding unbroken lineage of Kanchi Mutt’s gurus, 
>their dates of birth, sanyasa, samadhi etc are presented in minute detail, 
>but somehow the origin of the Mutt itself is not confirmed by oral 
>traditions or any independent evidence.
Unfortunately this tradition is from Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra Saraswathy 
Swamigal (acknowledged to be the biggest mystic in several centuries by all 
Sankaracharyas and other yogis). This is at least 400 years old.

>Many in the present generation may not be aware that today’s Kanchi Mutt 
>was only known as Kumbhakonam Mutt even till 1960 or so.
That should not matter. What matters is how much Kanchi mutt works for the 
preservation of Vedic Dharma.
>Over the last few decades, references to Kumbhakonam have been carefully 
>phased out.
That is interesting, how did they manage that? They seem to have done a bad 
job, because today we are talking about this.
>One cannot find any branch Mutt of Kanchi established during the 2500 

Can you find evidence that Dwaraka mutt was established before 2500 years? 
Please try selling your idea that Adi Sankara was born after Christ to His 
Holiness Dwaraka Sankaracharya and let us know what His Holiness thinks 
about it.

>One is told that the Kanchi Mutt shifted to Kumbhakonam during the Carnatic 
>Wars in middle of 18th century and stayed there till early 20th century.

Some of your friends in the internet think that such a war did not happen at 
all. You should talk to them before you find which one of you is right.

>It is difficult to accept how a Mutt which is supposed to have been adorned 
>in an unbroken succession by most revered saints for 2300 years ( till then 
>) could suddenly be forgotten by people just because it shifted to 
>Kumbhakonam due to a war that lasted hardly for 20 years.
Please do not accept. The reason for forgetting does not seem to be strong 
>One would also hear that so-and-so book talks of Kanchi Mutt or that a 
>copper plate found in the last century refers to Kanchi Mutt.
>However, one should remember that antiquity of an institution should be 
>borne out by solid tradition and not by untested pieces of evidence. This 
>is not a matter to be proven by producing evidence.

Too bad.
Who asked you not to test any piece of evidence? If you know of only one 
copper plate, you should look for more. Where there is a will, there is a 
way. If you want to be dogmatic, any piece of evidence will not mean 
anything to you.

>In the modern world ,with media power and political influence it is not 
>too difficult to start a totally new institution and get an antiquity stamp 
>in less than ,say, fifty years.

Do you run a consultancy for this?
>I do realize that many readers may find the above comments shocking. Some 
>readers may try to reject or contest some part of the above in one way or 
>the other, but the underlying issue will remain- that the Kanchi Mutt ‘s 
>claim of antiquity and Sankarite origin will not stand the test of an 
>objective scrutiny .

It is futile to contest with a dogmatic person. Before you talk anything 
logically, please go and check your math and see what tradition holds, and 
whether the tradition adds up correctly, and whether to quote tradition for 
>Vijay Kartik

Sorry everyone, I am not rude by nature.

I will not enter into an argument, but I cannot see people coming with an 
agenda to do mudslinging. If you have the scientific spirit, please go and 
verify (even now it is not too late) any claims of Kanchi mutt, before you 
come and write anything. You will be able to see a different dimension to 
the great preceptor Sri Adi Sankara's life.

God Bless,

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