[Advaita-l] Re: Tantra

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"Hence for us ordinary mortals who want to 'renounce action', just renounce
the desire for fruit of that action. Indulge in 'nishkaama karma' and that
will purify the antahkarana."

In today's competitive world, would it be OK to renounce the desire for
fruit of our actions? Would it not be better to try whole-heartedly for
success and then dedicate the outcome(whether success or failure) to the
Almighty?
(List members please forgive me for going out of the scope of this thread)

-Venkatesh

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From: "latha vidya" <lathavidya at yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Re: Tantra


> Hari Om,
> Namaste.
>
> I think there is a difference between "renunciation of action" and
"inaction". When there is an obstacle in way of our performing an action, we
are usually vulnerable to take the path of least resistance - inaction! Why
do it at all when we can be safe not performing the action?! We let someone
else take up the responsibility of doing it. This is cowardice, flinching
from responsibility! I think Arjuna was in this state of mind when he said
he would go away from the battle field.
>
> Whereas renunciation of action comes into picture when you have shed all
'abhimaana' and 'moha' - rather they are shed by themselves when one
realises the dream-like quality of this 'reality'. Here renunciation is not
another action where there is 'kartritva' of renouncing and 'bhoktritva' of
relief. Kartritva and bhoktritva would be redundant in this case.
>
> Renunciation should not be considered as an easy way of escaping from
responsibilities. Rather it should happen like "Oorvaarukamiva
bhandhanaath"- like how a ripened cucumber automatically severes from the
stem. Before its ripening, plucking it from the stem would cause injury both
to the cucumber and to the plant. Similarly our renunciation will happen
when our antahkarana is fully ripe with knowledge. No effort need be put to
forcibly renounce, in which case it can not at all be called renunciation. A
sanyaasi who keeps thinking that he has left his wife and children back home
is deceiving himself.
>
> Hence for us ordinary mortals who want to 'renounce action', just renounce
the desire for fruit of that action. Indulge in 'nishkaama karma' and that
will purify the antahkarana.
>
> I am sorry if the list members feel that my replies to the letters here
are impertinent. I am no scholar. Nor can I follow any of the "Bhaashyaas".
I just express my thoughts aloud here. I hope I am excused.
>
> Namaste,
> Latha Vidyaranya
>
>
> Raghavendra N Kalyan <kalyan7429 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Namaste,
>
> Dear Jaldhar, I really liked your answer. However, given a choice between
"performing action" and "renunciation of action", is it not better to choose
the latter when the former involves doing something "wrong(?)" even if the
"wrong(?)" thing is the only alternative? Of course, this is the basic issue
on which the bhagavad gIta is based, but I never really got Krishna's point
here. Can you or someone else please explain? I would appreciate it if you
use the example of the mahAbhArata war itself. For instance, what would be
so wrong if Arjuna renounced worldly life instead of fighting the war?
Thanks.
>
>
>
> Then why is it mentioned at all?
> Because there may well be situations when the only course of action is the
> "wrong" thing. In which case if it has to be done it should be done in
> the best way possible.
>
> The war of Kurukshetra is an example. To kill your brothers and respected
> elders is terribly terribly wrong. Yet this is what Krishna Bhagavan asks
> Arjuna to do in the Gita. Of course all avenues of peace are explored
> first. the Pandavas agree to give up half the kingdom. Krishna Bhagavan
> Himself goes on a diplomatic mission to Duryodhana. However when war is
> finally declared it must be fought to the death. There is no room for
> cowardice or equivocation in the performance of ones duty.
>
>
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