[Advaita-l] Re: Lord Krishna lived for 125 years

[Stephen]

Trying to tie traditions together, can Krsna be
equated to Abraxas of the gnostics?
-Stephen

--- bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com wrote:

> 
> praNAms Sri Kalyan prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
> 
> Kalyan prabhuji:
> 
> The issue is not specific to Krishna bhakta-s as it
> is also relevant to the
> concept of Ishwara.
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> But prabhuji, according to shankara siddhAnta
> Ishwara & his omnipotence &
> omniscient qualities are avidyAkruta & holds water
> only in vyavahAra is it
> not??  Considering this krishna's appearance/birth &
> disappearance/death
> also in vyavahAra only...can we close this issue by
> saying this prabhuji??
> 
> Kalyan prabhuji:
> 
> I dont know how many of us are celebrating
> janmAshTami in a "cavalier"
> manner,
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> our Hare krishna devotees here in Bangalore ISKCON
> temple & other krishna
> bhaktha-s in other temples have involved in high
> handed celebrations.
> 
> Kalyan prabhuji:
> 
> but I think Krishna's "birth" and "death" may be
> understood in the context
> of his control over his own destiny, which is
> absolute, as Krishna is
> eternally free and knows he is so.
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> yes prabhuji I agree with you, but his *control*
> over his destiny does not
> deny the fact that of his birth at prison & hunter's
>  shooting arrow aimed
> at his foot.
> 
> Kalyan prabhuji:
> 
> (contrast it with your or my birth to know the
> difference, of course we too
> can "attain" Krishnatva if we "strive", but that is
> beside the point.) As
> for "celebrating" janmAshTami, dont you think his
> "birth" on earth is a
> good thing to happen, (well, atleast for those folks
> who are celebrating it
> in a non-cavalier manner)?
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> I agree with you prabhuji, it definitely gives us
> the oppotunity to do
> bhagavannAma smaraNa & ArAdhana in a more
> intensified manner on these
> occasions.
> 
> Kalyan prabhuji :
> 
> And as for his "death", that marked the beginning of
> kali yuga - an age
> where dharma is supposedly at its lowest. That
> doesn't give us much reason
> to "celebrate" it. Does it?
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> prabhuji, being a student of shAstra, we all know
> that we are *ajOnityam
> shAshvatOyaM na hanyate hanya mAne sharIre* But in
> vyavahAra we are
> celebrating birth days & death anniversaries for the
> remembrance of our
> beloved ones.  Like that, we can celebrate these
> auspicious events in the
> case of divine incarnations also by calling it
> janana & mahA prasthAna.
> Here birth & death hardly matters, point is we are
> creating more & more
> special opportunities to do bhagavannAma saNkIrtana
> & upAsana.  Anything
> wrong in this attitude prabhuji??
> 
> Kalyan prabhuji:
> 
> There is a specific reason for this. I forgot it but
> it goes like this -
> Some devotees of Vishnu wanted to see his pastimes
> etc. etc.  I think the
> bhAgavata purANa mentions this.
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> but, I am afraid, no devotee wants to see his
> beloved lord's birth in a
> prison that too dark, rainy night, is it not
> prabhuji.  As a krishna bhakta
> I would have opted something better than that :-))
> 
> kalyan prabhuji:
> 
> I think the same question can be asked. Why should
> he disappear in to thin
> air? (Interestingly some avatAra-s have come close
> to "disappearing into
> thin air"). May be he could have disappeared into
> thin air if he wanted to
> but he did not want that.
> 
> bhaskar :
> 
> because he wants to adhere to prakruti dharma, he
> wants to cast off his
> physical sheath which has taken form in the prison &
> grown up in gOkula.
> Just he followed the natural laws to give up his
> physical form *naturally*.
> 
> Kindly correct me if I said anything wrong.
> 
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>

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Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare


		
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