[Advaita-l] Re: Advaita-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 19

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RE-the query of Mr. Guy Werlings
A detailed essay about avastha traya is available in website
http://www.geocities.com/snsastri
under the heading "Terms and concepts in Vedanta" and sub-heading "The three
states"..
sn.sastri at gmail.com


On 12/19/05, advaita-l-request at lists.advaita-vedanta.org <
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>   1. Forwarded mail from Guy Werlings: nidrA and sushupti
>      (Vidyasankar Sundaresan)
>   2. Re: Advaita-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18 (S.N. Sastri)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:12:59 -0800
> From: "Vidyasankar Sundaresan" <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Forwarded mail from Guy Werlings: nidrA and
>        sushupti
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> I am forwarding a mail from Sri Guy Werlings, as he seems to be facing
> some
> difficulty sending mail to the list.
>
> Regards,
> Vidyasankar
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: "Guy Werlings" <werlings.guy at wanadoo.fr>
>
> Dear friends,
> I am very glad to be back with you after several years. Unfortunately I am
> still very ignorant and I am always in need of help and clarifications.
> Recently I studied very carefully again the ashhTaavakra sam.hitaa to see
> if
> I could find in it any reference to "avasthâtraya vicAra", my favourite
> subject of investigation, but I could find only the two Sloka-s mentioned
> here below in Itrans encoding scheme:
>
> .. ashhTaavakra sam.hitaa ..
>
> na jagarti na nidraati nonmiilati na miilati .
> aho paradashaa kvaapi vartate muktachetasaH .. 17\-10..
>
> kva svapnaH kva sushhuptirvaa kva cha jaagaraNaM tathaa .
> kva turiyaM bhayaM vaapi svamahimni sthitasya me .. 19\-5..
>
> I noted that two different words were used to describe sleep, i.e. nidrA
> and
> sushupti. As I could not find the difference by myself and as I have the
> good fortune of being still in contact with SrI Subhanu Saxena, I took the
> liberty of asking him and he kindly replied: nidrA is a general word for
> sleep, whereas suSupti has the specific sense of dreamless sleep. I know
> that SrI Saxena is exceptionally knowledgeable and that I can completely
> rely upon his explanation, but if somebody could elaborate a little more
> on
> the subject I should be very thankful.
>
> namAmi bhagavatpAdaM sha~NkaraM lokasha~Nkaram.h ||
>
> Guy
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:30:22 +0530
> From: "S.N. Sastri" <sn.sastri at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Re: Advaita-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18
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> The significance of the Rasakrida can be understood only if it is borne in
> mind that, according to the Bhagavata, Krishna was the supreme Brahman and
> so was the indwelling self of all, and that naturally   includes the
> Gopikas. Srimad Bhagavatam itself explains its significance. It says:-
> "Multiplying Himself into as many as there were Gopis, the Lord
> *feigned *enjoyment
> as He sported with them, though He is '*Atmarama', *one who ever revels in
> the Self alone and so does not have to seek joy from external objects or
> persons" (Bh.X.33.20). Krishna is the supreme Brahman. The Gopikas
> represent
> the jivatmas yearning for union with Brahman. This union is what is known
> as
> liberation. In the same chapter, sloka 38 says: "Actually, the men of
> Vraja
> were not angry with Krishna; bewitched by His power of Maya, they imagined
> that their wives were by their side all the time". So it is all a play of
> the Lord's Maya and at the same time a superb exposition of the supreme
> devotion of the Gopis and the boundless compassion of the Lord towards His
> devotees.
>
> Moreover, the great sage Narada says in his Bhakti sutras that the Gopis
> knew that Krishna was the supreme Being Himself. They did not look upon
> Him
> as a mere human being or as their paramour. In the Gopikagitam in chapter
> 31
> of Srimad Bhagavatam the Gopikas tell Krishna: "You are not just the son
> of
> a Gopika; you are the indwelling self of all living beings".  On this
> subject my article 'The Gitacharya and the Gopijanavallabha' under the
> main
> heading 'Glimpses of Vedanta' in my website
> http://www.geocities.com/snsastri  may please be seen.
>
> Many of the other episodes also have symbolic meaning. This has been
> brought
> out in my article entitled 'Episodes in Srimad Bhagavatam' in the above
> website.
>
> sn.sastri at gmail.com
>
>
> On 12/18/05, advaita-l-request at lists.advaita-vedanta.org <
> advaita-l-request at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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> > Today's Topics:
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> >   1. New member introduction: B. M. Kiran  (Jaldhar H. Vyas)
> >   2. Rasakrida (sriram)
> >   3. New member introduction: S. N. Shastri (Jaldhar H. Vyas)
> >   4. Re: Rasakrida (B.M KIRAN)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:31:19 -0500 (EST)
> > From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar at braincells.com>
> > Subject: [Advaita-l] New member introduction: B. M. Kiran
> > To: Advaita-L <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0512171430320.15906 at localhost.localdomain>
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> > Namaste,
> >
> > I am a Masters Student in Network and Internet Engineering at SJCE
> Mysore,
> > I was  happy to know that there was something going on Advaitha Thattva
> of
> > Sri Sankara on the net,
> > I am very much interested in the Advaitha thattva which was because of
> my
> > Guru who has thought me
> > Katakopanishad with Shankara Bhasya
> > Isavasyaopanishad with Shakara Bhasya
> > Presently learning Ithareyaopanishad
> >
> > Also when i find free time i am very much inclined to read Sankara
> tattva
> > from Viveka Chudamani, Vedanta DinDima in Kannada published by  Sri
> > Sachidananda saraswathi of Holenarasipura.
> >
> > Well I hope the group provides me an opportunity to know a speck of
> > Advaita
> > tattva, and to interact with the scholarly people.
> >
> > Thank you
> > KIRAN.B.M
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:36:56 +0530
> > From: sriram <srirudra at vsnl.com>
> > Subject: [Advaita-l] Rasakrida
> > To: advaita <ADVAITA-L at LISTS.ADVAITA-VEDANTA.ORG>
> > Message-ID: <003101c5ff15$c2632240$a76541db at ksriram>
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> >
> > Dear all
> > The Srimad Bhagavatha Mahapuranam is fully devoted to Lord Krishna`s
> > divine plays as an avathar of Lord MahaVishnu.It is told to Parikshith
> who
> > fully knows he will have to leave the earthly life within seven
> days.SukhaBrahmam narrates the divine dispensations of Sri Krishna so that
> Parikshith
> > though not in death bed but knows that he is certain to die at the end
> of
> > seven days will get peaceful transition.I will say when one believes
> that
> > as a small boy He-Lord krishna-lifted the Govardhana Giri and therefore
> > called lovingly as Giridhari by great devotee Meera-and held it aloft
> till
> > the rains lashed by Indra stopped and protected all living beings of
> > Brindavan-then why one cannot  accept the Rasa krida of Lord Krishna
> with
> > gopies.He is also credited with the play of concealing the Dresses of
> the
> > gopies -the episode is titled gopi vasthrapaharanam and the gopies were
> > forced to come naked to receive their clothes.Whether this does not seem
> > to discredit His conduct?I will advise that we should read the Sriman
> > Narayaneeyam of Narayana Pattadri and He did raise doubts about Sri
> > KRISHNA`S DOING SUCH AND SUCH THINGS AND it is said that Sri Guruvayur
> > Krishnan said yes by lowering His head to show assent for all such
> > questions.
> > Therefore one should have either full faith in our scriptures or leave
> > them as such.Before us so many more intelligent people have lived and
> they
> > have given answers for all these usually unbelievable/unacceptable
> episodes
> > about Avatars.If one reads Soundarya Lahari of Adi Sankara one will be
> > astounded with the descriptions of Mother Divine`s body frame.Mind you
> He
> > was a nishtiga brahmachari.
> > So if some one is not able to digest our Puranas leave them as such as I
> > think their interest is not in understanding the WHOLE purpose but to
> > ridicule by slipshod reading and forming poor opinions.Lastly our brains
> > are not equipped to fathom the Divine leelas as we have our own
> limitations
> > and prejudices.Krishnamoorthy.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 07:53:51 -0500 (EST)
> > From: "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <jaldhar at braincells.com>
> > Subject: [Advaita-l] New member introduction: S. N. Shastri
> > To: Advaita-L <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0512180752420.15906 at localhost.localdomain>
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> >
> > Dear Sirs,
> >
> > My name is S.N.Sastri. I am now 83 years old. I was an officer in the
> > Government of India. After retirement in 1980, I settled down in Chennai
> ,
> > where I am residing now.
> >
> > I have been a student of Advaita Vedanta for the past twenty years. I
> have
> > been studying Vedanta under two traditional scholars, Dr. Goda
> > Venkateswara Sastri and Dr. R. Krishnamurthi Sastri.
> >
> > I have authored the following books:-
> >
> > 1.  English translation of Narayaniyam of Melpathur Narayana Bhattatiri,
> > with explanatory notes bringing out the Vedantic import of the verses.
> >
> > 2.  English translation of Hastamalakiyam of Hastamalaka, one of the
> four
> > disciples of Bhagavatpada Sankaracharya, with explanatory notes.
> >
> > 3.  English translation of Sri Sankara's Satasloki with elaborate notes.
> >
> >
> > 4.  A Vedantic interpretation of some of the episodes in Srimad
> > Bhagavatam.
> >
> > I have recently created my own website--
> http://www.geocities.com/snsastri
> >
> > where I have posted several articles on Vedantic topics.
> >
> > I came to know about your website by chance only yesterday and I felt
> that
> > I could make some contribution to your discussions.
> >
> >                      Yours faithfully,
> >
> >                       S.N.Sastri
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:03:25 +0530
> > From: "B.M KIRAN" <b.m.kiran.ece at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Rasakrida
> > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> >        <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
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> >
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > I fully agree with your doubts regarding the stories of Sri Krishna
> > But the tattva behind it seems to be a matter of vichara ( analysis)
> > which as per  my knowledge only  very few have done :
> > As per my knowledge it goes like this:
> >
> > The gopi in sanskrith doesnt  mean gopika stree it  means
> > the Samooha (group) of senses which when controlled and put to the lotus
> > feet of the lord krishna ,he removes( concealing of clothes) all the bad
> > thoughts and behaviours of the senses and make them to be around him
> with
> > pure divinity .
> >
> > So most of the Puranas and the stories related has hidden tattva which
> > very
> > few of us atleast try to understand and lets pray the lord to give us
> this
> > power of tattvanusandhana ( analysis) to know the real gist .
> >
> > Thank u
> > KIRAN
> >
> >
> > On 12/12/05, sriram <srirudra at vsnl.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear all
> > > The Srimad Bhagavatha Mahapuranam is fully devoted to Lord Krishna`s
> > > divine plays as an avathar of Lord MahaVishnu.It is told to Parikshith
> > who
> > > fully knows he will have to leave the earthly life within seven
> > days.SukhaBrahmam narrates the divine dispensations of Sri Krishna so
> that
> > Parikshith
> > > though not in death bed but knows that he is certain to die at the end
> > of
> > > seven days will get peaceful transition.I will say when one believes
> > that
> > > as a small boy He-Lord krishna-lifted the Govardhana Giri and
> therefore
> > > called lovingly as Giridhari by great devotee Meera-and held it aloft
> > till
> > > the rains lashed by Indra stopped and protected all living beings of
> > > Brindavan-then why one cannot  accept the Rasa krida of Lord Krishna
> > with
> > > gopies.He is also credited with the play of concealing the Dresses of
> > the
> > > gopies -the episode is titled gopi vasthrapaharanam and the gopies
> were
> > > forced to come naked to receive their clothes.Whether this does not
> seem
> > > to discredit His conduct?I will advise that we should read the Sriman
> > > Narayaneeyam of Narayana Pattadri and He did raise doubts about Sri
> > > KRISHNA`S DOING SUCH AND SUCH THINGS AND it is said that Sri Guruvayur
> > > Krishnan said yes by lowering His head to show assent for all such
> > > questions.
> > > Therefore one should have either full faith in our scriptures or leave
> > > them as such.Before us so many more intelligent people have lived and
> > they
> > > have given answers for all these usually unbelievable/unacceptable
> > episodes
> > > about Avatars.If one reads Soundarya Lahari of Adi Sankara one will be
> > > astounded with the descriptions of Mother Divine`s body frame.Mind you
> > He
> > > was a nishtiga brahmachari.
> > > So if some one is not able to digest our Puranas leave them as such as
> I
> > > think their interest is not in understanding the WHOLE purpose but to
> > > ridicule by slipshod reading and forming poor opinions.Lastly our
> brains
> > > are not equipped to fathom the Divine leelas as we have our own
> > limitations
> > > and
> > >
> prejudices.Krishnamoorthy.______________________________________________
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