Birth and Caste (was Re: [Advaita-l] RE: Vedic Shakhas ...)

Jaldhar H. Vyas jaldhar at
Wed Feb 9 12:39:29 CST 2005

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, S Jayanarayanan wrote:

> There are two possibilities:
> 1) BrAmaNa-G -- The word "BrAhmaNa" refers to one who has GYAna.
> This id most definitely not by birth. Even the manIshha
> panchakam.h is enough to refute this.
> 2) BrAhmaNa-K -- The word "BrAhmaNa" refers to one who performs
> his duties as required by the Vedas, smR^itis, etc. It's your
> contention that this is by both birth and conduct.
> It is reasonable to suppose that the entire set of verses are
> speaking of the same definition of a BrAhmaNa. YudhishhThira
> wouldn't "shift gears" from one to another.
> So it could be the case that the definition of "BrAhmaNa" is
> either as BrAhmaNa-G or as BrAhmaNa-K throughout all the verses.

There is an alternative that you have not considered.  That Yudhisthira
believes being a Brahmana-K (or Shudra-K etc.) is the path to becoming a


> Both the GAyatrI mantra as well as the upanayana are *kArmic*
> and have nothing whatsoever to do with GYAna.

Right.  Which is why your explanation is untenable.

Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at>
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