[Advaita-l] Is the notion of an ISvara compatible with advaita?

Jaldhar H. Vyas jaldhar at braincells.com
Tue Feb 15 00:51:57 CST 2005

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005, Amuthan Arunkumar R wrote:

> what do you mean by a "lower order of reality". to
> whom does it exist?

To the person who believes it exists.

> if the analogy is properly extended, what you've
> mentioned is true for a sAdhaka who has *still not
> realised the truth*, but has heard about it from his
> guru.

But has he grasped all the implications?  Indra and Virochana both heard
the Brahmavidya from Prajapati.  But Virochana completely missed the
point.  Even if one has a library of a billion Vedantic books it will be
for naught if one isn't spiritually ready.

> but does this hold for a jN.Ani? i again refer to the
> commentary of SrI rAmAnujAcArya (see my previous mail)
> where this view i.e. the simultaneous knowledge of
> brahman and mAyA (as is understood in advaita), is
> refuted.

As I said before, the difference is in perspective.  You cannot use the
same measure when the very definition has changed.  This is the basic
methodological flaw in the Vaishnava arguments.

> the key question is not how a jN.Ani perceives the
> world, but rather, in the first place, how can the
> existence of a *world* be justified for a jN.Ani
> according to advaita?

An example given in the Yogavasishtha is of the foam in the waves.  It is
the very nature of the waves and their turbulence that makes the foam
appear, stay for a while and then dissipate.  It is Brahmans nature that
words are created, stay for a while and are destroyed.  Why is it that way
and not some other way?  I don't know but that's the way it is.

Extending the analogy further, it is only up close that one observes the
turbulence in the waves.  From space (i.e. a different perspective,) the
ocean appears totally flat.

Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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