[Advaita-l] Logic and shastra

[Mahesh Ursekar]

Pranams:
 But that is exactly what I am trying to point out. When you say:
 >> he comes down to the level of the observer to teach
 there needs to be a second observer. But, in all the examples I have given
in this thread, there was no other observer. These feelings that the
'realized soul' had were told to the observer after they occured. While they
occured, there was no one else but the guru. And in each case, the said
person had already acheived realization when they happenend. As far as I can
tell, these are afflictions that one needs to get rid of on the path to
realization and should not be present after realization. Why did Swamiji
opine that he would not be able to control his anger? Why did Sri
Ramakrishna harbour a desire to have disciples? What am I missing?
 Humble pranams, Mahesh


 On 10/24/05, praveen.r.bhat at exgate.tek.com <praveen.r.bhat at exgate.tek.com>
wrote:
>
> praNAm,
>
> Sorry, I may've given a wrong feeling here. The question had an answer
> that
> you rightly saw yourself. It should have been assertive on my part, I
> messed
> up. Thanks.
>
>
> Mahesh-ji wrote:
> But as a realized soul, not being able to control anger? How does one
> explain that? Krodh, Moha, Lobh, .... are these not the things we are to
> another thing one needs to be rid off on the path to realization?
>
> praveen;
>
> Contradictions here, please! "But as a realized soul" and "to be rid off
> on
> the path to realization?" are two opposite things mixed up. Do you get
> what
> I'm trying to point now? Sir, "one the path" to realization is an "active
> path" when one is trying to remove the veil of ignorance. Thats when the
> kama, krodha... etc are a binding. "But as a realized soul", (on a time
> scale we see, that doesn't exist for a realized since he knows brahmaN is
> for ever) there is no active participator, say he's just a witness within
> and without happenings. From a realized plane, a realized's prayers make
> no
> sense since he is talking to himself then, right? So they're purely from
> the
> onlooker's perspective or from Ramakrishna's words, he comes down to the
> level of the observer to teach. Thats what all our avatars would be,
> right?
>
> krishNArpaNamastu,
> --praveen
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