[Advaita-l] creationist And evolutionist

[Viswanathan N]

your actions are initiated, controlled and bound by praktihic dharma. Its part and parcel of it, than what do you mean by your actions creating prakrithi.
  the whole scene ,ie, cause, action and effect are all part of prakrithi. 
   
  you have a choice,  to think you are doing and hence you are enjoying. Than you are the doer and you are the enjoyer. Thus startes the cycle of samsara,ie, cause lead to effect lead to cause to effect to cause.......on and on and on. As the result "Ego' is created and getting strenthened at each step of this cycle. So desires/pleasures/pains/frsutrations and this goes on and on... to settle this account birthh , death and birth this cycle also goes along . (this is the case with 99.99% of the people). So, here you are the creator
   
  The alternate is just move a bit aside and start watching the ehole scene as  observer.. than you realise neither you are doer or enjoyer, all happens on its own according to praktithic dharma..
  here no action, no cause or effect,no pleasure or pain, no birth or death... end of all polarities...end of whole dualism... you remain 'ONE"  that is advaitha. 
   
  According to Advaitha the whole prakrithic existance/ activities  are termed as Maya ( generally meant as illusion/ unreal...but prefer to  take it as impermenant/ unstable/ ever changing). IN this case there is no creator as nothing called creation exist.

elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca wrote:
  (Viswanathan) ... so where is the question of creator.

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Do you mean our actions cannot create prakriti ?

Sylvan


>From: Viswanathan N 
>Reply-To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta 
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>To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta 
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>Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] creationist And evolutionist
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:57:29 +0100 (BST)
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>What is that 'Self'? That is all pervading energy (Bhramhan). Its just one 
>without second, so where is need for any action from this. It remained, 
>remains and remain for ever, so where is the question of creator. The 
>physical / material world what we see is the result of Prakruthic/ 
>vyavaharic cycles waht you call otherwise the evolution. Its the result of 
>cause and result of very many actions under prakruthic dharma. It keps on 
>changing movement to movement which we call evolutionay process. But again 
>be sure, that self is neither involved nor has anything to do with this, it 
>remains just an observer of all these. When you center you conciousness to 
>this self, you wud be just the observer and not the doer or enjoyer.
>
>elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca wrote:
>(Viswanathan) Evolution fits in better than creation for an advaitin.
>Creaton is more for more for prophrtic religions of west (islam,
>Chstny,Judaism) whis says creator sitting some where and created the world
>and adam /eve etc
>
>*
>
>However, I think advaitins recognize that our actions CREATE our world.
>Are we not the Self ... even if most of the times anaware ?
>
>Sylvan
>
> >From: Viswanathan N
> >Reply-To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> >
> >To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> >
> >Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] creationist And evolutionist
> >Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 09:34:51 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >Ya u r correct
> >
> > Evolution fits in better than creation for an advaitin. Creaton is more
> >for more for prophrtic religions of west (islam, Chstny,Judaism) whis 
>says
> >creator sitting some where and created the world and adam /eve etc.
> >
> >
> >Raghavendra N Kalyan wrote:
> > Namaste,
> >
> >
> > > Can an advaitin recognize creationism And (not or) evolutionism ?
> >
> >
> >Since evolution is based on pratyaksha and anumAna (direct
> >observation/experiment and logical inference), an advaitin should have no
> >problem in accepting it.
> >
> >
> >But creationism can create some problems. There are some creationists who
> >claim that the world was created in 4000 BC or something like that. These
> >are directly against observation and needless to say an advaitin would
> >reject them.
> >
> >
> >Of course there are some theories of creation in Sruti which "appear" to
> >contradict evolution. But then, the standard advaitic position is that 
>the
> >(mutually) contradictory nature of some creation theories in Sruti, is
> >meant to drive home the point that creation falls under the realms of 
>mAyA.
> >(I may not be exactly correct here, but this is the gist anyway). Note 
>that
> >this is not a modern day cooked-up reinterpretation of the Sruti but it 
>has
> >its basis in the mANDukya upanishad bhAshya + gauDapAda's kArikAs. The
> >"ajAti vAda" (no creation in the ultimate sense) is derived from this. 
>From
> >this point of view, neither Sruti nor advaita vedAnta (which is based on
> >Sruti) should have any problem with evolution.
> >
> >
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