[Advaita-l] Re: liilaa and brahma

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Ms.Sylvain,

My view is the play and the players are YOU!  Just as in your dream.  This
cannot happen if it is not for the fact that you realize this only at the
end of the play!

With Narayanasmrithi,
Anbu

On 11/3/06, Sylvain <elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Namaste everyone.
>
> The points 4 and 5 (see below) are not clear for me.
>
> I think we experience relative reality because of the lIlAA (lEElAA), the
> divine play, or the veil of ignorance, or mAyA. All synonyms to me.  What
> do
> you think about this point of view ?
>
> Sylvain
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ravisankar Mayavaram" <abhayambika at gmail.com>
> To: <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:54 AM
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Re: liilaa and brahma
>
>
> > Sylvain elisabeth-sylvain at sympatico.ca  wrote
> >
> >    Do you mean that liilaa or leela or the divine play is incompatible
> > with
> >    brahman ?
> >    If yes, i don't personally see any incompatibility.
> >
> >    Therefore, would you tell me in which kind of advaita does my
> > conception fit
> >    ?
> >
> > namaste Sylvain
> >
> > This is what I think, and I may be wrong. In brief, it is not
> > necessary to understand how it happened.
> >
> > 1. shruti affirms that the absolute reality (pAramArthika) is non-dual
> > brahman. And Atman is brahman.
> >
> > 2. In vyAvahArika (relative reality), we know from experience that we
> > see multiplicity. And also we identify Atman with anAtman, as we have
> > no direct knowledge (aparoxa jnAna) of shruti affirmation.  Hence, a
> > jiva is limited by avidyA (which is taking ephemeral as eternal and
> > anAtman as Atman). And this jagat is governed by Ishvara, wielder of
> > mAyA. Latter is an article of faith.
> >
> > 3. Neither it is necessary to know how #2 came about from #1 nor it is
> > useful.  This is my understanding. If at all, with our limited
> > capability, anything we say is going to have some issue or other.
> >
> > 4. From #2, to attain liberation, the path laid out is clear. It may
> > be long and difficult, but at least it is clear and possible. I also
> > believe that  Ishwara pranidhAna is most important element to succeed
> > in this step.
> >
> > 5. It is better to focus on #4. There is nothing wrong in accepting
> > that I do not know how #2 came about from #1. Because it has no
> > bearing on #4.
> >
> > BTW I am not a vishiShTAdvaitin. My knee jerk reaction to question of
> > locus of avidyA  in the first post was based on my ignorance and lack
> > of humility.   I will work on correcting it.
> >
> > My 2c.
> >
> > Ravi
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