[Advaita-l] Concept of soul

[Mahesh Ursekar]

Pranams Kuntimaddi!

Thanks for your explanation but I don't think you have addressed my concern
adequately.

1. What happens when some cells are extraced from your body as a tissue
culture or suitably preserved while outside you. The individual cells of
this culture continue to exhibit the same behavior as when they were in your
body. They are living without the enlivining principle of your subtle body.
According to your explanation, how is that possible?

2. Why do you differentiate between bacteria (prokaryote) and other cells
in your body (eurkaryote). They are both living. Why does one have its own
subtle body while the other not?

Thanks, Mahesh



On 8/23/07, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Mahesh - PraNAms
>
> I do not see any problem.
>
> Your subtle body - pervades your whole body - that is
> why it subtle means- the sense of touch that your have
> in your remote skin is part manifestation of your
> pancha praaNaas.  All cells are synchronized or
> organized as one organism to respond to that subtle
> body that pervades the whole body. When you die, you
> collect all your pancha praaNaas and sense faculties
> along with your anthaHkaraNa – and depart to
> experience next set of vaasanaas that cannot be
> experienced in this physical body.  That is the death.
> The next body you take, if you have not realized in
> this life, depends on the nature of your vaasanas and
> it will find a suitable gross body that is conducive
> to express those vaasanaas.  We have millions of
> bacteria that die and are looking for suitable bodies
> to express themselves.  If a scientist can make one
> grass body, and if it is conducive they thank him and
> live happily there until that apartment is no more
> suitable. It is as simple as that.
>
> If some cells in our body do not behave in accordance
> with the total organism, we call them as cancer cells
> - they are living cells but do not integrate with the
> rest of the body. Similarly the other bacteria and the
> virus - each have their own subtle bodies that differ
> from you hence they can consume you unless you can get
> rid of them.
>
> Evolution is only at anatomical level - the evolution
> of jiiva is different from the evolution of the body
> structure.  Each jiiva finds a suitable anatomical
> structure that is conducive to express its vaasanaas.
>
>
> Advaita Vedanta has no problem with the evolution
> theory or any other theory - in fact more science
> progress more closure to advaitic doctrine.
>
> In reality, you are, of course, consciousness that is
> all pervading. You are never born or die. The death of
> subtle body occurs only ones that is when you realize
> who you are.
>
> The birth and death of gross bodies is nothing but
> integration of gross and subtle bodies which reflect
> the total consciousness depending the capabilities of
> the stubtle and gross equipments.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
> --- Mahesh Ursekar <mahesh.ursekar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pranams!
> >
> > Ok. That is a viable theory. But consider consider
> > its consequences -
> >
> > If you believe in the evolutionary theory, then the
> > first "living" organism
> > was a prokaryote cell
> > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_(biology) This
> > includes organisms like bacteria & archaea.
> > Scientists believe that it was
> > most likely that a phagocyte engulfed a prokaryote
> > cell, resulting in the
> > creation of eukaryote cells. Our body parts are
> > composed largely of
> > eukaryote cells. (This para is to the best of my
> > understanding)
> >
> > Now my question to you is - both prokaryote and
> > eukaryote cells are living
> > entities. Our body contains millions of cells of
> > both categories. Now
> > according to your theory, the enlivining force of
> > all living entities are
> > subtle bodies. Does that mean that I, as a human
> > being, am host to other
> > subtle bodies too? That doesn't sound right. Or do
> > subtle bodies somehow
> > differentiate between the two aforementioned
> > "living" cells and hence we
> > can say bacteria have subtle bodies but skin cells
> > don't?
> >
> > Thanks, Mahesh
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/07, kuntimaddi sadananda
> > <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > PraNAms
> > >
> > > What is normally called 'soul' in advaita is the
> > > presence of subtle body which is conducive for the
> > > illumination or reflection of the all pervading
> > > consciousness.  When the physical matter is
> > conducive
> > > (with proper DNAs and RNA etc)and properly
> > assembled
> > > for the subtle body to enter and manifest its
> > karma,
> > > then we can say the consciousness get reflected
> > > through that subtle body to the physical body -
> > which
> > > can now respond to the external stimulus.  We now
> > say
> > > that matter is living.
> > >
> > > When the subtle body leaves that matter due to
> > > unfavorable circumstances (say heated up to high
> > > degree etc) then composite (assembled or
> > otherwise) we
> > > say it is dead.
> > >
> > > Consciousness is all pervading - it cannot be
> > created
> > > or annihilated.  But whether it can express as
> > life or
> > > not depending on the upaadhis.  What science can
> > do is
> > > assemble the matter imitating the existing living
> > > structure and see if subtle body, which makes the
> > > gross matter to respond to stimulus, can enter in
> > that
> > > assembled matter.
> > >
> > > The law is wherever and whenever the upaadhis -
> > both
> > > gross and subtle are capable of reflecting the
> > > consciousness, they will.
> > >
> > > Scientists do not create life.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hari Om!
> > > Sadananda
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Mahesh Ursekar <mahesh.ursekar at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The theory that, after the death of a human
> > being,
> > > > there exists an entity
> > > > called the soul that persists and continues to
> > take
> > > > a new birth. If we
> > > > create life using chemicals in a laboratory, it
> > > > appears that the human being
> > > > is nothing but matter and after death the result
> > is
> > > > "ashes to ashes, dust to
> > > > dust".
> > > >
> > > > On 8/23/07, Ramesh Krishnamurthy
> > > > <rkmurthy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23/08/07, Mahesh Ursekar
> > > > <mahesh.ursekar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we manage to create life from scratch,
> > does
> > > > that debunk the soul
> > > > > theory?
> > > > > > See below:
> > > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20249628/
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ** And what is the "soul theory"?
> > > > >
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