[Advaita-l] Pancikarana vs. Trivrtkarana (analysis)

[Michael Shepherd]

Namaste Dr. Yaduji,

Indeed, what is 'interpretation' but interpretation in time and situation ?

I have no wish to argue with 'Hindus of the text' since I have the greatest
respect for them and for their advice;

However I need to remind myself from time to time, that the Veda is truth
itself, living,available all the time to all men, and which cannot be
divided by any man; that the Chandogya is an unique 'anthology' of earlier
'conversations', so not to be tested for integrity of language; and that as
a purana of the SamaVeda, is primarily concerned, as it says at the very
commencement, with the sound of the udgitha throughout Creation..; thus as
sound requires akasha (at every level of understanding), from which proceeds
wayu.. the Chandogya must be of its very nature, panchikarana..

Michael

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Yadu Moharir
Sent: 15 April 2009 12:52
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Pancikarana vs. Trivrtkarana (analysis)



Namaste Sunil-Ji:
 
Probably the verse you may be thinking about is -
 
itihaasapuraaNaabhyaa.m veda.m samupabR^i.mhayet . bibhetyalpashrutaadvedo
maamaya.m prahariShyati (ma. bhaa. Adiparva 1.293.-294.)

Meaning - Veda needs to be understood with the help of history and purana. 
Veda thinks that these partially learned folks are going to hit them
(misinterpret the meaning).
 
IMHO - Knowledge in Veda is apauruSheya not the text as we know it.  Our
sages observed the knowledge as a draShTaa and documented it as important
piece of information for future generations.  Veda also contain important
information regarding medicinal herbs and their specific Homa described in
relevant brahmaNaa's.  I hope to be publishing my observation some time in
the form of a book.  Where the properties of specific herbs remain
"apauruSheya" and the sages who observed the corresponding use became the
dR^iShTaa for those R^icaa.
 
Just like gravity is apauruSheya but Newton observed and documented how it
functions and it's relevance to our lives.  Therefore Newton is no less than
a R^iShi.
 
Just my $0.02
 
Regards,
 
Dr. Yadu

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
wrote:


From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Pancikarana vs. Trivrtkarana (analysis)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 10:27 PM


 Bhaskarji,
 
Chandogya upanishad calls them as the fifth veda and not me please.
Mahabharata says that without reading them one should not read the Vedas so
they may not be all that any later composition. As itihasa is one of the
five essential criteria for the puranas the itihasa portion went on getting
updated from time to time. So the antiquity of the puranas is not any lesser
than that of the Vedas. There is an ancient verse saying this though I do
not recollect that verse right now. 
 
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:


From: Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Pancikarana vs. Trivrtkarana (analysis)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 9:11 PM



As the Puranas tell us that all the Vedas and the Puranas together were
called Yajurveda before Vedavyasa undertook the division of the Vedas into
the four Vedas and relegated the Puranas as the fifth Veda.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

History believes that one veda has been divided by vedavyAsa into four
veda-s and written purANas (ashtAdasha - 18 purANa-s) for those who donot
have the adhikAra to do vedAdhyayana & understand the same...I dont think
there is any mention that purANa-s have co-existed with veda-s even before
the division!!  that is the reason why vedic saMpradAya believes veda is
aparusheya and smruti & purANa etc. are paurusheya texts...Calling purANa-s
as fifth veda is just an acclamation :-)  AFAIK, Ayurveda, music etc. also
will come under this fifth veda category..

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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