[Advaita-l] praNava

[Dr. Yadu Moharir]

Namaste Sunil-Ji:
 
If one looks bhakti as an extension of the "aham brahmaashi".
 
Then this becomes the equilliser "we and the God" are the same.  
 
So by serving  the concept of "God / Ishvra" we the Human beings will not abuse the nature or other beings and that would be the real Ishaara seva.
 
Through this we will be making our own place better not only for ourselves but for the society (immediate community or Nation) we live in.
 
Then "we" the individual citizens automatically become the "Bharata bhaagya vidhtaa"  rather than "George the 4th".
 
Bhakti has lead us to remain harbour serving mentality in our personal and professional lives. The current understanding of bhakti is extremely selfish for personal benefits only.  Where the upasaka desires / wishes for "individual salvation / liberation" rather than liberating the whole community / Nation.  That is what is meant or needs to to realized from the phrase "pradubhotosiraaShTesmin kirtiR^iddhi dadhaatu me" (shri suukta).
 
Just something to think about !!
 
Kind regards,
 
Dr. Yadu
 


--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] praNava
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 8:05 PM


Dear Yaduji,
 
"Undivided in the Divided" is Sattvic knowledge. It is the true Jnana or Knowledge alright. But I am a bit cautious about the use of the term Bhakti in the ultimate state as it will mean that the Lord loves Himself (the Lord). Another way of looking at bhakti is that  bhakti is a state of the mind and it belongs to Prakriti. It propels us to reach the Lord and then it becomes redundant or it is left behind.
 
Regards,
 
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
 

--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] praNava
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:34 PM


Dear Sada-Ji:
 
Thanks, my memory often fails with a block.
 
I am also having the same problem.  I do not get the postings I have to go the web site to view.  May be we need to ask Jaldhar-ji for advise.
 
This concept of "avibhaktam vibhakteShu" is probably my most favorite concept of applying advaita in daily life as explained in "raamacharti manas".
 
Just imagine if one starts applying this principle as an individual bhakta and serving the society and environment as bhagavan?  Would that not make a heaven on this Earth ?
 
Kind regards,
 
Yadunath

--- On Mon, 8/10/09, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] praNava
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 6:01 PM


Yaduji - PraNAms


avibhaktam vibhakteShu occurs in Giita 18-20 as  part of saatvika guNa.

Hari Om!
Sada



--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] praNava
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 8:52 PM
>  
> Namste Sunil-Ji:
>  
> The concept of "avibhakta.n vibhakteshhu" is relevent
> here from advaitic point of view.
> 
> As I recall, the reference you have mentioned is from
> discssion between Rama and Hanumana
>  
> There is a dohaa in Tulsidaasaa's "raamacharita manasa"
> that pertains to the concept of "ananya bhakti"
>  
> so ananya jaake.n asi mati na Tarai hanuma.nta |
> mai sevaka sa caraacara ruupa svaami bhagava.nta ||
> kiShkindhaakaaNDa 3 ||
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Dr. Yadu
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] praNava
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 3:55 PM
> 
> 
> Dear friends,
>  
> Dvaitya is Saameepya Mukti  and Advaita is Saayujya Mukti,
> even when we talk in terms of the Saguna Brahman. Remember
> the reported statement of Hanuman that as an embodied
> being he is the servant of Lord Rama (the Dvaita concept),
> as a Jiva he is a part of  the Lord (yet separate, ie the
> Visistadvaita concept) and from the angle of
> realisation of the Atman he is the Lord Himself (the
> Advaita concept).
>  
> Any comment?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
> 
> --- On Mon, 8/10/09, Bhadraiah Mallampalli <vaidix at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Bhadraiah Mallampalli <vaidix at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] praNava
> To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 12:58 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Would you put 'Om Namah Shivaya' beyond the >bounds
> of surrender or Advaita ? If so, I'm sorry for >you, in
> my Abrahmanic way.. :)
> 
> 
> I fail to understand your question. Om Namah Shivaya is
> dvaita, though traditionally dvaitists are vaishnavites. In
> dvaita jivatma is separate from paramatma, and at the time
> of kaivalyam it merges into Vishnu or Shiva. That is my
> understanding. Abrahamic surrender does not lead to such
> merger (I have heard of bent knees in case when a king
> conquers the world, but not in case of dealing with
> paramatma). I like to learn from list members if that is not
> the case. 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Bhadraiah
> 
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