[Advaita-l] Importance of Sampradaya

[S Jayanarayanan]

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, sriram <srirudra at vsnl.com> wrote:

> Dear members
> Yes,students were encouraged to ask questions to clear
> their misgivings without feeling shy.There is a sanskrit
> verse which says -Vidhyathuranam na ruchir, na lajja.During
> student days especially in gurukul days of yore an aspirant
> of vidhya should not mind the taste of food which can be
> extended to activities not relating to study and also should
> not feel shy to get his doubts cleared fully.

I believe the above verse has been misquoted. What I'm aware of reads:

vidyAturANAM na sukhaM na nidrA
kShudhAturANAM na ruchiH na pakvaM .
kAmAturANAM na smR^itiH na lajjA 
arthAturANAM na sakhA na bandhuH ..

"(A student engaged in the pursuit of) knowledge knows neither pleasure nor sleep,
(a man who is inflicted by) hunger knows neither taste nor preparation,
(a man who is smitten by) lust knows neither good sense nor shame,
(a businessman engaged in the pursuit of) wealth knows neither friend nor relative."

I googled this and discovered that the GaruDa PurANa has a similar verse:

http://sanskritdocuments.org/doc_purana/garuDapurANa.itx

arthAturANAM na suhR^inna bandhuH kAmAturANAM na bhayaM na lajjA |
chintAturANAM na sukhaM na nidrA kShudhAturANAM na balaM na tejaH || 1\,115\.67 ||

>The guru was
> willing to explain any number of times and he will not move
> to the next step unless the whole group/class had
> understood.R.Krishnamoorthy
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shyam" <shyam_md at yahoo.com>
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Importance of Sampradaya
> 
> 
> I am reproducing my post as it was perhaps blocked by the
> server for being too long. My apologies for re-posting and
> for its length.
> ***
> Pranams
> I fully agree with your Vedanta teacher, and my humble
> namaskarams to Him or Her.
> 
> Who told you that in our sampradaya we do not question the
> teacher - in fact we are very much encouraged to - nay, we
> are specifically instructed to question the teacher till our
> doubts get resolved - this is exactly what shravanam and
> mananam entails - atmavare shrotavya mantavya... this degree
> of freedom of questioning I would say is almost unique to
> our sampradaya - doubt is encouraged provided it is
> encompassed by a broader matrix of shraddha - in both the
> teacher and the teaching. Only then can learning take
> place.
> 
> These were 2 posts written by me on the "advaitin"
> list-forum in response to a discussion on a related topic
> and I am reproducing it here for what its worth. Some of the
> points raised are relevant only to what was being discussed
> at the time, but I have chosen not to edit those sections in
> the interest of continuity of the post.
> 
> ________________________________________
> Post 1
> http://www.adi-shankara.org/2009/06/shastra-is-only-pramana-for-self.html
> ________________________________________
> Post 2
> http://www.adi-shankara.org/2009/08/shastra-is-only-pramana-for-self.html
> _____________________
> 
> As far as Namasmarana and Kaliyuga is concerned consider
> that statement to be eulogistic at best - albeit certainly a
> wonderful means to achieving chittashuddhi and
> chitta-naischalyam, (like with everything else) when adopted
> with the right attitude and devotion.
> 
> Hari OM
> Shri Gurubhyoh namah
> Shyam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On
> Behalf Of Anjana
> Nagraj
> Sent: 11 August 2009 22:21
> To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> Subject: [Advaita-l] Importance of Sampradaya
> 
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> My Vedanta teacher often reiterates the importance of
> traditional Sampradaya
> teaching methods as the ONLY way to self-knowledge....
> 
> A few doubts arise in my mind regarding this although
> Sampradaya asks that
> we do not question the teacher! what about all those
> masters who achieved
> moksha through following the non-hindu religions? what
> about the concept of
> constant Namasmarana being the easiest way to achieve
> liberation in the Kali
> Yuga?
> 
> i would appreciate your views on this..anjana
> 
> 
> 
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