[Advaita-l] Ref request for somnath

[Dr D Bharadwaj]

Dr Yadu's post was deplorable. Besides personal prejudice and
bitterness, Brahmana bashing is a fashion these days. So much for the
scholarship and 'understanding'!!

One cannot claim that there is an unopposed universal agreement that the
mind's understanding is more important than the vibratory event of reciting
in the right manner. A lot can be said about the importance of overcoming
the ignorant, arrogant, limited, sense-imprisoned, semi blind mind and
its overbearing claim to 'understanding' what is beyond it.

In the first place, it has not been established with finality that the
understanding is more important.How is the 'understanding', that is limited
to kAla and dESa, unquestionably more important than the vibratory essence
of pristine recitation? According to whom? What is the pramANa for the
claim? If there is a authenticated premise, it may worthy of further
discussion. If it is just the reason -buttressed kalpana  of the mind of the
learned member without any valid pramANa, then the same may be ignored.

Secondly, even if we grant for the moment that the understanding is more
important, how does it follow that the   brahmana is inferior for that
reason? Is there a class or a varga of people other than the brahmana that
excelled in the 'understanding' better than the merely reciting brahmana??

Thirdly, even the 'other-than-a-brahmana', all poised to surpass in the
superior act of 'understanding', is obliged to depend on the inferior
indispensible reciting individual, brahmana or not. How many of these
members of the superior class, varga have contributed till now to the
survival of the Dharma with their important understanding?? Who are they?
What was the contribution?? What was their uniquely important
'understanding'?? If the reciting brahmanas are 'dead pillars' then what are
they?? Some other structure that can replace a pillars, dead or live?



sarvE bhavanthu sukhinah
sarvE santhu niraamayaah
sarvE bhadrANi pasyanthu
maa kaschit duhkhabhAg bhavEt.



SrIramaNArpaNamastu





Dr. D. Bharadwaj
drdbharadwaj at gmail.com
dr.d.bharadwaj at gmail.com


On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com>wrote:

> >When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins recited "Mahaarudra"
> and >requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.
>
> Do you have a reference for this? Like perhaps a chronicle or maybe some
> later day write up on this event?  Or is this your imagination? You talk as
> if you were there in the temple during the invasion.
>
> Nowhere through out the history of India did vaidika-s or tAntrika-s are
> known to display the kind of mentality you mention. Rites of ward off
> calamities were performed, but in all the historical cases that I am aware
> of, where such rites were performed, they are followed(or in parallel) up by
> military(or other required) action.
>
> Why do you frequently indulge in this brAhmaNa bashing on various forums? I
> will bluntly say that it is a very ugly habit.
>
> Against many odds the brAhmaNa-s did what they could and preserved what
> they can...one can be either thankful or just keep mum.
>
> When resources are not available to understand..simply learning to recite
> is enough.. ofcourse understanding(which is equally imp) would be an added
> advantage.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:55 AM
>
>
> Namaste:
>
> Yes, Hinduism survived but that is purely academic as Brahmin's remained as
> lifeless pillars that supported the roof.
>
> sthaaNur ayam bhaara-haaraH kilaabhuud, adhiitya veda.m navidnyaanaati
> yo.artham ||. saayaNaacaarya ||.
>
> When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins recited "Mahaarudra"
> and requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.  The third for Shiva is
> supposed to be "j~naana chakhsu" to burn ignorance.  When are we going to
> admit that it was the "Blind-Faith" on deities and Brahmin's that wanted to
> keep their importance in the society were primarily responsible for loss of
> our vedic knowledge as they remain the donkeys carryiong the weight of
> sandlewood.
>
> yathaa kharaa ca.ndana-bhaara-waahii bhaarasya vettaa na tu saurabhasya
> tathaa hi vipraH shruti-shaastra-puuraaNaH, dnyaanena hiinaH pashubhiH
> samaanaH  || Uttara giitaa ||
>
> The number of Moron Sadhu's visiting US are hiding behind the the term
> "shaddhaa" and propagate Mysticism to line their own pockets for profit.
>
> I have absolute no regard to the folks who promote recitation instead of
> understanding.
>
> We rather remain slaves than become Gods and create heaven on this Earth.
> The concept for preferroing to remain "daasa" is clearly found in R^igveda
> as we want someone (deities) else to make us rich by remaining "daasa"
> (shuudra).
>
> araM daaso na miiLhuShe karaaNy ahaM devaaya bhuurNaye .anaagaaH  |
> acetayad acito devo aryo gR^itsaM raaye kavitaro junaati  || R^igveda
> 7-86-7 ||
>
> puru tvaa daashvaan voce .arir agne tava svid aa  |
> todasyeva sharaNa aa mahasya  || R^igveda 1-150-1 ||
>
>
> The latest fashion is that Sanskrit is great for Computers, but does anyone
> seriously think whether programmers are ever going to learn Sanskrit before
> programming ?  This is just a feel good thing !?  So much for Brahmin's.
>
> I know all of us though born in Brahman families and have undergone
> upanayana samskaraara, did sandhyaavadanama, do clean toilets in US need to
> be classified as "shudra" !!
>
> Regards,
>
> Dr. Yadu
>
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
>
>
> How about the scholars opinion that Hinduism survived the onslaught of the
> Muslim invasions and rule because of the Brahmins?
>
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> It means you ought to study the impact of Buddhism instead of being biased
> in its favour!
> If a condition in India gave rise to Buddhism, then there are two resulting
> situations considering that Buddhism declined in India.
>
> One is that the need gets fulfilled and Buddhism served its purpose.  Did
> it?
>
> The other is like a condition that gives rise to the weed in a field which
> condition gets rectified and the weeds are out.  Here Buddhism is compared
> to the weed.
>
> You have to determine which one of this was the result.
>
> Under Buddhism the role of Brahmins as an entity was unneeded as much as it
> is under Hinduism.  When something is not needed it will not exist.
>
>
>
>
>
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