[Advaita-l] Ref request for somnath

[Umashankar V]

Dear Dr.Yadu,
Your posting has the strength of present day Truth and perception of your's
which is rooted in the regret that Indians (specifically it seems to be
Brahmins) were helpless against many attacks on their Vedic tradition.

Very valid.

But I beg to differ slightly in certain aspects which are not right. There
is a term that you mentioned from the Vedas - "daasa". This does not denote
the Varna Shuudra. Also, every verna during vedic ages were never superior
or inferior to each other. Each had its place. So, please stand corrected
that the term 'daasa' is not a varna but a term that denotes the 'bhaava'
(bhakti bhava) of that of a devotee. This is very common amongst any
'surrendered' devotee. Arrogance of the mind will not even allow one to even
have a glimpse of this 'daasa' bhava. It demands a lot of HUMILITY. Sri
Ramana Maharshi himself prays to Lord Arunachala in his Aksharamana Mala
that "Let me be the daasa of daasa of daasa of the ones who lovingly recite
your nama in devotion".

Whether one rules the world or a person cleaning one's own toilet or other's
toilets for living or as service may or may not be a daasa. But the moment
they surrender to The Lord and have pure love and devotion, they are
daasas.

Shivaganas of Lord Shiva are Shiva's daasas. Anyone dares blasphemize The
Lord or daasas, will get a befitting response unleashed by the wrath of the
Lord through His ganas!

As for Ghajini's invasion, it was India's turn to integrate such cultures.
It was the Kali or the work of the Time-Spirit. Kali , with the permission
of The Lord, descended on earth to rule. No one can do anything. Even Sri
Narada, the Triloka Sanchaari, had to take Brahma's guidance on how to deal
with Kali when visiting earth during these times. Progressive degradation
throughout the kalpas, is a cyclical event. Nothing can be done. Even the
best of Kshatriyas, King Parikshit, HAD to yield to Kali. A good reading of
Uttara bhaga of Mahabharata will help here. Also, Srimad Bhagavatam can
help.

Every human is bound by his or her own set of karma bandhas. No one can
blame one another. Bearing the dead weight of vedas is one thing, can
anybody today even bear the weight of one's own travel luggage? Can anyone
today carry burden of anything that's not theirs and carryout anything for
not earning money??? So much for the so called modern-day perceptions on
age-old vadikia dharma!  How can one dead weight be superior or inferior
over the other dead weight? Everyone carries one or the other dead weight as
long as they have EGO, atleast they carry the mala-moothra-mamsa Sharira!!
 So much for dead weights!

Anything useful can ever happen in this world if and only if the bhaava of
'daasa' of Lord exists among men. Sri Kanchi Mahaswami himself has said
this. Lets all unite as HIS daasas in humility in satsang. That will ensure
everything else to stay in place..

Sri Gurubhyo Namaha!

~Umashankar

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Satish Arigela <satisharigela at yahoo.com>wrote:

> >When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins recited "Mahaarudra"
> and >requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.
>
> Do you have a reference for this? Like perhaps a chronicle or maybe some
> later day write up on this event?  Or is this your imagination? You talk as
> if you were there in the temple during the invasion.
>
> Nowhere through out the history of India did vaidika-s or tAntrika-s are
> known to display the kind of mentality you mention. Rites of ward off
> calamities were performed, but in all the historical cases that I am aware
> of, where such rites were performed, they are followed(or in parallel) up by
> military(or other required) action.
>
> Why do you frequently indulge in this brAhmaNa bashing on various forums? I
> will bluntly say that it is a very ugly habit.
>
> Against many odds the brAhmaNa-s did what they could and preserved what
> they can...one can be either thankful or just keep mum.
>
> When resources are not available to understand..simply learning to recite
> is enough.. ofcourse understanding(which is equally imp) would be an added
> advantage.
>
> --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoharir at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:55 AM
>
>
> Namaste:
>
> Yes, Hinduism survived but that is purely academic as Brahmin's remained as
> lifeless pillars that supported the roof.
>
> sthaaNur ayam bhaara-haaraH kilaabhuud, adhiitya veda.m navidnyaanaati
> yo.artham ||. saayaNaacaarya ||.
>
> When Mohd.. Gajhani attacked Somanath temple Brahmins recited "Mahaarudra"
> and requested Shiva to open his "third" eye.  The third for Shiva is
> supposed to be "j~naana chakhsu" to burn ignorance.  When are we going to
> admit that it was the "Blind-Faith" on deities and Brahmin's that wanted to
> keep their importance in the society were primarily responsible for loss of
> our vedic knowledge as they remain the donkeys carryiong the weight of
> sandlewood.
>
> yathaa kharaa ca.ndana-bhaara-waahii bhaarasya vettaa na tu saurabhasya
> tathaa hi vipraH shruti-shaastra-puuraaNaH, dnyaanena hiinaH pashubhiH
> samaanaH  || Uttara giitaa ||
>
> The number of Moron Sadhu's visiting US are hiding behind the the term
> "shaddhaa" and propagate Mysticism to line their own pockets for profit.
>
> I have absolute no regard to the folks who promote recitation instead of
> understanding.
>
> We rather remain slaves than become Gods and create heaven on this Earth.
> The concept for preferroing to remain "daasa" is clearly found in R^igveda
> as we want someone (deities) else to make us rich by remaining "daasa"
> (shuudra).
>
> araM daaso na miiLhuShe karaaNy ahaM devaaya bhuurNaye .anaagaaH  |
> acetayad acito devo aryo gR^itsaM raaye kavitaro junaati  || R^igveda
> 7-86-7 ||
>
> puru tvaa daashvaan voce .arir agne tava svid aa  |
> todasyeva sharaNa aa mahasya  || R^igveda 1-150-1 ||
>
>
> The latest fashion is that Sanskrit is great for Computers, but does anyone
> seriously think whether programmers are ever going to learn Sanskrit before
> programming ?  This is just a feel good thing !?  So much for Brahmin's.
>
> I know all of us though born in Brahman families and have undergone
> upanayana samskaraara, did sandhyaavadanama, do clean toilets in US need to
> be classified as "shudra" !!
>
> Regards,
>
> Dr. Yadu
>
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:53 PM
>
>
> How about the scholars opinion that Hinduism survived the onslaught of the
> Muslim invasions and rule because of the Brahmins?
>
> --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] shudra
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 8:15 PM
>
>
> It means you ought to study the impact of Buddhism instead of being biased
> in its favour!
> If a condition in India gave rise to Buddhism, then there are two resulting
> situations considering that Buddhism declined in India.
>
> One is that the need gets fulfilled and Buddhism served its purpose.  Did
> it?
>
> The other is like a condition that gives rise to the weed in a field which
> condition gets rectified and the weeds are out.  Here Buddhism is compared
> to the weed.
>
> You have to determine which one of this was the result.
>
> Under Buddhism the role of Brahmins as an entity was unneeded as much as it
> is under Hinduism.  When something is not needed it will not exist.
>
>
>
>
>
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Regards,
Umashankar.V