[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20

[V N Siva]

Nice Article.

 http://www.newsweek.com/id/212155

 Regards

 *V N Sivakumar***


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> I agree with Sri Anbu and Sri Sarma. Put aside the past for the eternal,
> and see what lessons we can learn from the concept of varna...
>
> I suspect that the decline of Christianity from the era when it served
> Western society well with the monastic system and its outreach, may well be
> a case very much to the point... When the scholarship of devotion and
> knowledge ceases to ring out from the public pulpit and retreats to the
> study, no-one is served well...and even the monks themselves despair.  Don't
> we all weep for Myanmar too ?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Sarma
> KV
> Sent: 24 August 2009 13:28
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20
>
>
> Good point, Sri Anbu.
>
> Your interpretation of Bhagawan Ramana's SlOkam to support varNa vyavastha
> is wonderful. This shows how universally applicable, the words of
> brahma-jnaani-s are!!
> (There was a question in another thread whether scientific theories are
> universally applicable, incidentally :-) )
>
> Elaborating what you said..
> We should look at the fact that occupation is just one transient aspect of
> life. Being born as a braamhaNa is a much fundamental, largely unchanging,
> aspect and for that reason one should stick to the vihita-karma-anushThaana
> to the extent possible. Birth is a chance given by God to "advance" towards
> chitta-Sudhdhi. The jeeva "progresses" in this path not by occupation but
> by
> vihita-karma-anushThaana with vairaagyam (which cleanses and erazes
> karma-bandham.)
>
> Best Regards,
> -Sarma KV
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I find it extremely disappointing to know that many of the 'brahmanas' of
> > this forum are stuck with the seculars ideas of who a brahmin or a sudhra
> > is
> > on the basis of mere occupation instead of the guna that drives each
> person
> > (i.e. his body and mind) to enjoy and suffer his poorva karma.  The body
> > and
> > mind made of the guna stuff become the vehicle for each to enjoy or
> suffer
> > (BOgam).  This intrinsic stuff is unalterable even when a person changes
> > his
> > occupation.  (As Bhagavan Ramana said: You can do what you like but the
> > outcome will always be the same.) (Karthur aagnyayaa praapyathE phalam
> > karma
> > kim param? karma thajjadam.)
> > Varnasrama dharma is eternal for it is god's creation.  It can decline
> but
> > not be destroyed.
> >
> > Knower of this truth will be on the side of Dharma and will want it
> > reinstated.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Shankar
> > >
> > >
> > > You are right, but with one correction....  All of us are not shdhrs as
> > > they aim is said to be said to be only serving the society without
> > > bargaining for anything inreturn, but  all all of us can be branded
> > > (including those who are born shudras) as vysyas whoo trade sell some
> > thing
> > > inreturn .... ya, we sell ourselves(in the name of services) for
> > negotiated
> > > price (call it cooli / salary/ wage whatever).
> > >
> > > In that way if we look in there are no Brakmanas, Kshatriyas or shudras
> > > anymore
> > > anywhere
> > >
> > >
> > > Vish
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 24/8/09, P.S.Shankar <shankar at tataelxsi.co.in> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: P.S.Shankar <shankar at tataelxsi.co.in>
> > > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 61, Issue 20
> > > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > Date: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 10:07 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr.Yadu Moharir -  Wrote >>>
> > >
> > > "I know all of us though born in Brahman families and have undergone
> > > upanayana samskaraara, did sandhyaavadanama,?do?clean toilets in
> US?need
> > to
> > > be classified as?"shudra" !!
> > >
> > > Yes, we are and I believe everyone in this era are so. since very few
> are
> > > following there respective varna dharma.
> > >
> > > Most of work and get paid for livelihood. and do  get alms for the
> same.
> > > Hence I assume we are all shudras.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Shankar.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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