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sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 25 14:39:20 CST 2009
Dear Shri Mallampalli,
<<The vedic people of Buddha's time did not have a better argument against him, so they converted.>>
If you have a better argument please do give us and it will be your great gift to the world. Do you think that the vedic rituals alone can end the cycle of birth and death?
<<Did any Buddhist defeat an advaitist since that time? Why do we have to accept Buddha or convert to Buddhism without arguing about what he taught? Honoring him as a teacher
was already done by including him in avataras.>>
Yu are thoroughly confused. We are not talking about the scholarship of any buddhist scholar. We are talking of Lord Buddha's teachings. Adi Sankaracharya did not agree with th arguments of the yogachara school as advanced by Dignaga and Dharmakirti but that does not mean that he denounced Lord Buddha's teachings. Secondly who is talking of converting to Buddhism? I am a Hindu and a follower of Adi Sankaracharya. But I do not know about your religious affiliation. Honouring Lord Buddha has been done by people who understood him and not by those who did not understand Lord Buddha.
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Bhadraiah Mallampalli <vaidix at hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Bhadraiah Mallampalli <vaidix at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Advaita-l] (no subject)
To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 3:16 AM
Dear Shri. Bhattacharjya, >There are lot disinformation on Lord Buddha.
Yes, there is also a lot of misinformation about Christianity, that is why a
Hinduized Bible is coming up.
Jesus learnt yoga in Kashmir so that one day India can re-colonized or a
portion of Kashmir can be claimed. >Lord Buddha was not against the
brahmins. He told what a true brahmin should be like.
>An entire chapter of Dhammapada is devoted to brahmin. He also said that
the next Buddha
>would be born in a brahmin family. He did not want the brahmins to think
that Vedic ritualism
>is the only thing for the brahmins. He did not stop the Vedic yajna of
Bimbisara. In India, castes are in other "religions" also. So they
have to deal with that issue.
West has race, so western Christians are divided on race. Coming to terms with
issues has nothing to do with universal principles. If the term
'brahmin' has a higher meaning, it is contra-indicated by Buddha's
violations of dharma. >He only cited the Vedas to tell him that the Vedas
do not sanction animal sacrifice. Agreed. Animal sacrifice is only symbolic
because it can happen only when the parents,
a sibling and a creature from the same clan agrees with the sacrifice
(somewhere in Ai.Br.)
Ch.U says never meats in year then never eat it life in time.
This is just a social reformation, what does it have to do with higher
inquiries?>People think that the Vedas comprise all the Samhitas, the
Brahmanas, the Aranyakas
>and the upanishads. However Lord Krishna told us in the Bhagavad Gita that
he is the
>source of the Veda as well as of the Vedanta thus drawing a difference
between the two. >Sayanacharya included only the Samhita and the Brahman
portion in the Vedas.
>In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna told Arjuna to go beyond the
>and to become Nistraigunya. Mundaka Upanishad also says that Vedic
>Aparaa Vidya. One has to go to the Paraa Vidya. You are batting all
around. There are diverse ways to liberation, so? >If Lord Buddha can be said
to be against the Vedas then Lord Krishna and the
>Mundaka Upanishad should also be said to be that much against the Vedas.
>Because of the prejudiced thinking about Lord Buddha people started
>that Lord Buddha was anti-Vedic so he is anti-Hindu. The Vedic brahmins
>of his time had to admit to Lord Buddha that the Vedas did not say that
>one would be able to cross the cycle of birth and death through these
>ritualistic practices. That is why he left his home to look for the answer.
>So much is the logic part. Lord Krishna participated in yajna, did Buddha
participate in it? Did he at least recite vedas? Krishna/Mundaka's
criticism was a search for a better alternative to liberation.
Such a quest was always there in vedas. Sankara also argues when a
person comes and sets up a new condition that becomes an overriding injunction
over all past practices and arguments. The vedic people of Buddha's time
have a better argument against him, so they converted. Mandan Misra didn't
a better argument against Sankara so he accepted loss. Did any Buddhist defeat
an advaitist since that time? Why do we have to accept Buddha or convert to
Buddhism without arguing about what he taught? Honoring him as a teacher
was already done by including him in avataras. Kausitaki Brahmana does say
one becomes immortal by doing agnihotra backed by the knowledge of the ritual.
>To me Lord Krishna, Lord Buddha and Adi Sankaracharya are great teachers the
>world had seen and they do not essentially differ in their views. This is
my personal view.
>Ramakrishna Paramhansa told that there is no doubt that Lord Buddha is an
Avatara of God.
>Swami Vivekananda told that Lord Buddha was one of the greatest teachers
the world had seen. "All religions are same". A non-serious argument.
But why did Buddha not think
vedas can also give liberation? Why is always one way? Why don't Christians
vedas and upanishats give liberation? Is it just to soften the prey for a
one-way conversion? >Dr. S. Radhakrishnan told that Lord Buddha was a
reformer of Brahmanisn.Did or didn't he also write about Sankara being a
reformer of Buddhism which got corrupted socially?
Social reformation always happens when leading thinkers perceive some social
ills. As for reforming theory, it is now clear that the meaning of Vedas was
(due to natural causes) so there is no justification for discarding them. So
research was done on Buddhism by his followers in subsequent centuries, now
most of it was forgotten, Buddhist books are now much like vedas whose meanings
need interpretation. There are jataka stories similar to puranas. Buddhists
also included all
features of vedic such as tantras, etc, just for the sake of competition, like
Roberto De Nobili
wearing saffron clothes and the new Hinduised bible coming up. Should we now
Buddhist books as well and move on to the next book? Why do research at all?
Vedic culture is all about sharing ideas and argumentation and question
Pramana is always a personal choice. You can personally reject MKS system as a
it is your choice. But when we tell others we need to discuss and explain why.
We can not reject vedas or Buddha or any other religion or belief without a
We must reject all these if we find they are wrong, which is what advaita
itself says: not this, not this,
but only after a discussion. There is a huge market for belief systems because
it is an easy way to
gain market share. Discussion is hard.
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