[Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 56, Issue 27

[Michael Shepherd]

Maheshji, Manishji,

I am enjoying your encouragements to contemplate space and time, or
space-time,  or place and occasion, in the service of Brahman.

The Vaiseshika-sutra helps to put a finger on it : that space and time are
as boundless as self.. so in the desha-kala-sambandha of each moment of our
life, we have all the time in the world, all the space in the world, in
which to seek Brahman, here, now..

That memory might aid our liberation -- should we happen to think otherwise
!

Michael

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[mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of manish
mokshagundam
Sent: 28 March 2009 13:33
To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Advaita-l Digest, Vol 56, Issue 27



dear Maheshji

i give a different perspective of time-space / space-time unity. off course
the differences between every conceivable vyavaharika satya ends on
realisation of the truth; Brahman

what i would like to point out is that we routinely use the concept of
"space-time unity" every day in the sankalpa. the sankalpa methodology of
reciting desha-kala before starting some thing is used by all, even
dwaities, etc

if one were to apply this knowledge, it is evident that at least the duality
or separateness of space and time does not exist in vedanta darshana, never
mind the various schools of thought

regards

Dr. Manish Mokshagundam

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> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:29:16 -0000
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> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Time
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> Maheshji,
> While unable to offer much on this subject, I look forward keenly to what
> may emerge..
>
> The clues offered by the various darshana are few but thought-provoking :
> all agree to a degree, that space and time disappear with maya.. Jainism
> holds that the function of time is to reveal existence in the present,
> change, movement, and duration ; Vaisesikasutra, listing nine substances,
> adds to earth, water, air, fire and ether,akasha -- time, space, and the
> soul..
> So in the absence of instruction, we should use our divine viveka... and
> ask
> : since moksha is the aim for the advaitin, how do space and time stand as
> agents of the threefold grace of Brahman, guru, and jnanatman ?
> At first sight -- sadhana seems to need time more than space, in one's
> Himalayan cave ! But if one accepts from other darshana, that akarsha is
> the
> vehicle of sound, then sadhana needs that sound as much or more than a
> measure of time !
>
> But I think that we have to discriminate -- if we can -- from unity and
> moksha and the threefold grace, alone, to answer the question for
ourself..
>
> That's my two pi..
>
> Michael
>
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> [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Mahesh
> Ursekar
> Sent: 26 March 2009 16:18
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Time
>
>
>
> Pranams!
>
> First off, I wish to apologize for starting this thread on two groups. I
> seem to have read somewhere that this is not good practice. I merely
posted
> to this group since I did not receive any reply to my posting on Yahoo.
So,
> to make amends, I will only reply to postings on this group since this
> group
> seems more active on the topic.
>
> So, my posting on yahoo is reproduced below again (I only read Sri
> Sadananda's posting there and this was a direct reply to the same):
>
> "Pranams!
>
> I would like reply to your points in some detail but prefer to hold on for
> a
> while till I get more clarity on this issue by expounding the reason for
my
> question:
>
> While I understand that time belongs to the vyAvarhAric satta, I was
> wondering if the Sruti, or Sankara make any specific mention about the
> *nature* of time. It seemed odd to me that of the trio
space-time-causality
> that define our world, space & causality find considerable mention, but I
> have not come across a single place that Time has been mentioned
> specifically.
>
> Even if vyAvahAra is to be transcended in the final calling, Time forms a
> very important component of it, especially in meditation & on
> self-realization. So, leaving it unspoken of seems a bit odd.
>
> So, in short, my question is "is there any discussion of the nature of
time
> by any of the Advaitic philosophers"? Or is its nature is to be inferred
> from what is said otherwise. Or maybe, at the end of the day, it is not
> part
> of philosophy but physics.
>
> Thanks & Pranams, Mahesh
>
> PS> A rather smart person who I asked this question said, AkAsa really
> means
> space-time (since space & time are intricately entwined ala Einsten! :-)).
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:02 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Shree Mahesh - PraNAms
> >
> > Since you posted this in both advaitin and advaita-l lists, I am
> responding
> > for both.
> >
> > First, some aspect of time was discussed in my knowledge series.
> >
> > Time is gap between two sequential events according to Einstein.
> According
> > to Vedantic interpretation, time is gap between two experiences - hence
> mind
> > supported by consciousness comes in- In deep sleep state where the mind
> is
> > folded, the concept of time and space all get folded until the mind is
> > awake.
> >
> > Biological time is there even in deep sleep and that exists at Iswara
> level
> > - There the total mind is involved again supported by conscious entity-
> > creation-sustenance-dissolution requires continuous modification and
> > continuity is a concept of time. Hence both time and space at global
> level
> > belong to vyavahaara level - at jiiva level or praatibhaasika level - at
> the
> > level of experience - at individual mind level.
> > Shankara says in Dakshinamuurthy sloka:
> > maayaa kalpita desha kaala kalanaa vaicitra citriikRitam ..
> > Both time and space are  creation of maaya - which is there but not
there
> > if one goes into deeper analysis.
> >
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 3/24/09, maheshursekar <maheshursekar@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Pranams!
> >
> > Can anyone tell me how is 'Time' conceived of in Adviata Vedanta?
> >
> > Thanks & Pranams, Mahesh
> >
> >
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> I am not sure but I think Time is an aspect of Kali the mother godess
> (Shakti) in Tantra.
>
> Vijaya.
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