[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Vishyji,

Quote: "As long as *you* breath  you need this Mind (buddhi) just as any
other organ..."

It depends on what kind of '*You*' we are talking about - the realized or
the unrealized?

If you are Realized then *you are all* and how do you discriminate with a
buddhi that needs atleast two to discriminate?

An unrealized person does not know a realized person.  This is because he
sees him also as an unrealized person with all faculties of buddhi etc.

Can a realized person live embodied (jeevanmuktha)?  Yea! Arjuna asked Sri
Krishna as to how the Gnani sits, how he walks etc!


On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Anbuji
>
> As long as you breath  you need this Mind (buddhi) just as any other
> organ...
>
> Take it just as  memory unit of a PC, as long as its not infected  by the
> virus called Ego its harmless , rather useful too. But the Problem is
> because of this ego virus it corrupts entire system and starts beliving that
> it by itself is the whole system and it is the driving it. Nevertheless the
> system cant run wthout memory, isnt it???
>
> Vishy
>
>
> --- On Tue, 29/9/09, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 29 September, 2009, 7:57 PM
>
>
> Michaelji,
>
> Why would you want a cleaned and washed buddhi?  What use is it to you?
> What would you be without a buddhi (cleaned and washed OR otherwise)?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Anbuji
> >
> > Sounds fine by me !
> >
> > Except I'm not too happy about blaming some sort of bad buddhi for this
> > dehatma bhava. Rather, surely,  that divine and perfect instrument,
> buddhi,
> > has to be cleansed and washed of what ahamkara has loaded on it !
> >
> > However, this is all in the realms of maya and mithya in terms of this
> > English dictionary  loaded with 'I am the doer..' ! :)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> > sivam2
> > Sent: 29 September 2009 13:18
> > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4
> >
> >
> >
> >  Michaelji,
> >
> > Sunilji is right in pointing out that karma is sine qua non of
> embodiment.
> > But is 'dehaathma buddhi'  a pre-requisite of embodiment?  Our sages have
> > answered it with a resounding 'NO'.  You can be embodied but need not
> > identify yourself with it.  Such disengement with the body takes place
> > irrespective of the aashrama you are in.
> >
> > In his discourse with Ganapathi Muni Bhagavan Ramana said "dehaathma
> buddhE
> > gnyajadow samaanow".  That automaton (the buddhi that takes the body to
> be
> > aathma) has to be broken by that very buddhi by the process of enquiry!
> It
> > is the buddhi that identifies oneself with body, mind, intellect and so
> on.
> > This buddhi is the culprit whom we have to lose.  This log of wood is
> > pregnant with the fire that destroys it!
> >
> > My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his attention that
> > self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular ashrama.  Changes in
> > ashrama takes its own course and should be held as part of the praarabhda
> > karma but the self-inquiry starts right from the birth.  It starts with
> > 'dehaathma buddhi'.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> > michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > May I add something from experience in the ashrama ?
> > >
> > > Those who have been well and spiritually educated up to age 16 are well
> > set
> > > for life, could not be better set.
> > >
> > > But for most, householder and bread-winner coincide in the next
> ashrama.
> > > So we are going to spend that time in an environment which is calling
> for
> > > 'I am the doer..'
> > > But how valuable to attempt to have upasana of the mahavakya in one's
> > > working life, let alone at home ! One person alone in a factory,
> go-down,
> > or
> > > office who hold the mahavakya within, can lighten the tone of the whole
> > > workplace and lift that burden of 'I am the doer' a little or a lot..
> > >
> > > And then vanaprastha becomes, can become, a life of bliss. As someone
> > here
> > > said to me, 'It's a time for attending to those aspects of samashthi
> > which
> > > have not previously been fully attended to'..
> > >
> > > One may never attain or choose sannyasa. But I'm sure that there are a
> > > number on this site who would acknowledge that -- especially these days
> > of
> > > easier communication which don't involve a weary body, and longer lives
> > of
> > > retirement...vanaprastha is going to become the glory of spiritual life
> > in
> > > the 21st century..
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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