[Advaita-l] waking, dreaming, sleeping, as mutually supportive

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Tue Oct 13 05:07:32 CDT 2009

Quote: " And that is not as easy or as common as people may like it to be."

Thinking it is difficult is the greatest impediment.  Guru is indeed needed
but the Guru is no substitute for the person who should first have the
craving.  How can one crave if the intellect raises obstacles?

The indication of the craving lies in the denying of the non-self (that he
assumes to be!).

Ramesh Krishnamurthyji rightly observed that the 'Turia' is nothing but the
Aathman.  The three states of being (jaagrat etc.) are products of the Guna
and the Thuria is beyond guna's grasp.

Hence the guna only affects or determines a person's karma and bhogam but
cannot stop him from attaining self-realization.  Self-realization is an
inherent right of a person irrespective of what guna he possesses.  So a
thaamasic person can be a realized soul.  Have you not read in the
Mahabharatha that a Brahmana approached a meat-chopper for self-realization
and our own Aadhi Sankara was taught AathmabhOtham by a chandala?

This is where the 'humbleness' comes!

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 5:21 AM, Ramakrishnan Balasubramanian <
rama.balasubramanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Michael Shepherd
> <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Ramesh, thanks, Most of the sages say the same -- the first taste of
> samadhi
> > can throw you off track.. but its honey becomes irresistible, and from
> then
> > on it's up to the individual to increase the dosage !
> >
> > Ramana says that the first experience of pure atman is that between
> > thoughts; hence his vichara system.
> >
> > Would you agree that turiya/atman is closer to us than we pretend?

> It is actually the other way around. Turiya is "further away" than
> many of us like to pretend!
> As Swami Vivekananda observed "99% of those who think they are saatvik
> are steeped in the deepest of tamas". Thus we have people picking up
> books and declaring themselves sampradayavits. Turiya is indeed
> "close" for the pure-minded - those who have the four-fold
> requirements and who have humbly approached an actual guru. And that
> is not as easy or as common as people may like it to be.
> Rama
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