[Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
Vishy
vishy1962 at yahoo.com
Sat Oct 17 02:24:00 CDT 2009
Dear Sunilji
I too agree that truth is one and was looked only from different angles.Only the means for achieving the ends differ. We, unfortunately stress too much on means ignoring the end itself.
Jiddu always used to talk about the witness there within everyone. He advocated to drop the mind and seek within keeping aside all rituals. Even the thinking of UG Krihnamurthy (natural state) was quite advaitic, though it looks to be bit atheastic on the surface level. I consider these two as classic exapmles of Jnana yogis on the lines of Ashtawakra
In that way, I feel, that is the crux of all upanishads and what shri Shankara said too.
Hope you too might have come across the books of Swamy Rama Teertha (a great sage who dies at a ver early age of 31) 'In the woods of God realization' which are strongly advaitic with very practical approch.
offthe the recent western teachers , I liked the books of Eckhart Tolle (Power of Now/ New Earth) which I feel is nothing but advaitic.
Pranams
Vishy
--- On Sat, 17/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Saturday, 17 October, 2009, 11:38 AM
Vishyji,
The truth is one. We the followers of the interpretive works of the great persons like Adi Sankaracharya and Gaudapadacharya understand it as Advaita. Everything is Brahman. How do you compare the works / thoughts of JK with those of Adi Sankaracharya?
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 10:13 PM
Michealji
Exactly, the persons I quoted remained detached but were teahing rather sharing their experiences, right! But they were not sanyasins in traditional way.
Sanyasi is teh one who has completely dropped " I" (ego) along with all desires and attachements. This can be done bythe person who has realized the truth. If you look in this way they were
Vishy
--- On Thu, 15/10/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 3:47 PM
Vishyji
It's my understanding that a sannyasi may either renounce the world as a
solitary, or having renounced the world, remain in it to teach the world.
Would you agree?
Michael
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Sent: 15 October 2009 05:42
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
(wasRe:Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
Michaelji
can you accept UG Krishnamurthy or Jiddu krishnamurthy as Jnani and sanyasi
considering their jnana and detached life style ?
Pranams
Vishy
--- On Thu, 15/10/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:
Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 5:06 AM
Michaelji,
Yes, the Jnani is a brahmin in the true sense of the term if you believe in
the verse "Brahma janati iti brahman", even though by birth he may not be
born in the brahmin's varna and he has to discharge the duties of the
non-brahmin varna he is born in
Sunil.
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:
From: Michael Shepherd <michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (wasRe:
Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta"
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 3:22 PM
Sunil ji,
Would it not follow that the jnani would then fulfil the varna of brahmin ?
And that, rather than being dependent on birth alone, varna is the duty in
the whole society which one fulfils, at anhy one time, irrespective of birth
? That seems far nearer the divine intention than human 'rules'.
Michael
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Bhattacharjya
Sent: 14 October 2009 22:53
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna
(wasRe: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
Dear Vidyasankarji,
I think what Bhaskarji says may appear to many to be a question like
whrther the egg came first or the chicken. But it need not be so. I shall
give an example, only to convey the idea though one may find fault with the
example. If one controls the breath, ie.does pranayama, then the mind
becomes calm and controlled. If one controls the mind by dhyana the breaths
get controlled automatically.
Simalarly a Jnani does niskama karma as he is a samadrasti and he realises
everybody and everything is Brahman and he had overcome his self-interest.
Now if one starts doing Niskama karma, say because one's guru advised one to
do so or one wanted to follow the Bhagavad Gita without really realizing the
merits of it, even then a time will come when he would automatically start
doing Niskama karma, call it by force of habit if you like. Eventually he
would realise the merit of doing the niskama karma and that he is no
different from others and thus the Jnana will dawn on him.
Regards,
Sunil K. Bhattacharjya
--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
wrote:
From: Vidyasankar Sundaresan <svidyasankar at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Sankara on sannyAsa for Steadiness in GYAna (was
Re: Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 5)
To: "Advaita List" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:27 AM
> But this jnAna is NOT the sole property of the
> residents of saNyAsAshrama...Those who do not have the vedAdhikAra they
Bhaskar, I have been following this debate to the best of my ability and
time constraints, but can you point out to me one person/post where
AtmajnAna is declared to be the sole property of the ASrama called sannyAsa?
> too can attain the 'same' result by itihAsa purANa...but fact remains that
> they have to have that Atma jnAna only nothing else and this jnAna does
> not come from the purusha tantra 'karma' and this karma has to be elevated
> to the status of karmaphala saNyAsa rUpa karma yOga to get jnAna nishTe.
What do you mean by the above? jnAna does not come from karma, but karma
yoga involving karmaphala sannyAsa = jnAna nishThA? How?
>
> Dear Karthik prabhuji, thanks for your reference from brahma sUtra...I
> shall look at it when I go home today. And be rest assured I am going to
> disprove NOT shankara but those who are declaring : WITHOUT EMBRACING
> SANYAASA ASHRAMA THERE IS NO MUKTI WHATSOEVER :-))
Again, don't you think you are breaking down a strawman here?
Vidyasankar
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