[Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"

[Anbu sivam2]

Dear Dr.Bharadwaj,

In an earlier thread on Sudhra from which this one has branched out I posted
a relevant part of my Musings on the fundamentals of Hinduism in my
discussion with Sri Michael Sheppard.  That is probably the reason that you
missed.  I am posting them in this forum under a new thread 'Munsings on the
Fundamentals of Hinduism' for the benefit of readers like you.

Regards,
Anbu

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Dr D Bharadwaj <dr.d.bharadwaj at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Sri Anbu,
>
> Your musings again!
> You has asked me too to read them.
> I could not find where you had posted, 'earlier in the thread' and I gave
> up. I am intrigued now..where are they?
> Can you give the link?
>
>
> SrIramaNArpaNamastu
>
>
> Dr. D. Bharadwaj
> drdbharadwaj at gmail.com
> dr.d.bharadwaj at gmail.com
>
> sarvE bhavanthu sukhinah
> sarvE santhu niraamayaah
> sarvE bhadrANi pasyanthu
> maa kaschit duhkhabhAg bhavEt.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Anbu sivam2 <anbesivam2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I guess you did not read my musings on the fundamentals after all!
> >
> > The way we understand the faculty of intellect is its ability to discern
> > the
> > real from the unreal.  I believe the sages of the upanishad have kept
> that
> > in mind.
> >
> > A sudhra, if he ever became a king, like Karunanidhi of Tamilnadu did,
> > wouldn't be approaching a sage.  He wouldn't have the 'intellect' that I
> > have described.
> >
> > I have no idea of your definition of 'intelligence'.  However sorrow
> > belongs
> > to the mind.  The role of intellect in respect of sorrow was given by Sri
> > Krishna in Bhagavat Geetha when he said "sukhadhukkE samE krithvaa..."
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> > michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > neat idea, Anbu -- but elitist and demeaning ? Perhaps the king was a
> > Sudra
> > > who used his intelligence to become king ? Any substantiation for this
> in
> > > the story ? Is sorrow unintelligent ?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of Anbu
> > > sivam2
> > > Sent: 31 August 2009 11:48
> > > To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta
> > > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The word Sudhra was used to denote that the king did not use his
> > intellect.
> > > In fact all those irrespective of their varna who do not use their
> > > intellect
> > > eventually become Sudharas.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:45 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> > > michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Professor Sharma in his book on Sudra pp 42-43 goes into the matter
> of
> > > Cha.
> > > > Up. 4.2.3. and Shankara's bhasya and Badarayana's derivation, and
> > whether
> > > > Janasruti was in fact a king of the Sudra tribe -- already in
> > subjection
> > > by
> > > > that time.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > > [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org]On Behalf Of
> > > > srikanta
> > > > Sent: 31 August 2009 10:15
> > > > To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
> > > > Subject: [Advaita-l] Discussion on "Shudra"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With reference to the reply on the above,I would like Sri.satish to
> go
> > > > through the discussion in Chandogya Upanishad on Janusruthi and
> raikva
> > > > dialogue.We are talking about Brahmajnana,and not common place
> issues.
> > > >                                                        N.Srikanta.
> > > >
> > > >
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