[Advaita-l] Jivanmukti - Jnana plus Sannyasa pt 4

[Anbu sivam2]

Michaelji,

Why would you want a cleaned and washed buddhi?  What use is it to you?
What would you be without a buddhi (cleaned and washed OR otherwise)?



On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Michael Shepherd <
michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> Anbuji
>
> Sounds fine by me !
>
> Except I'm not too happy about blaming some sort of bad buddhi for this
> dehatma bhava. Rather, surely,  that divine and perfect instrument, buddhi,
> has to be cleansed and washed of what ahamkara has loaded on it !
>
> However, this is all in the realms of maya and mithya in terms of this
> English dictionary  loaded with 'I am the doer..' ! :)
>
> Michael
>
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> sivam2
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>
>
>
>  Michaelji,
>
> Sunilji is right in pointing out that karma is sine qua non of embodiment.
> But is 'dehaathma buddhi'  a pre-requisite of embodiment?  Our sages have
> answered it with a resounding 'NO'.  You can be embodied but need not
> identify yourself with it.  Such disengement with the body takes place
> irrespective of the aashrama you are in.
>
> In his discourse with Ganapathi Muni Bhagavan Ramana said "dehaathma buddhE
> gnyajadow samaanow".  That automaton (the buddhi that takes the body to be
> aathma) has to be broken by that very buddhi by the process of enquiry!  It
> is the buddhi that identifies oneself with body, mind, intellect and so on.
> This buddhi is the culprit whom we have to lose.  This log of wood is
> pregnant with the fire that destroys it!
>
> My humble interlude with Shyamji was to bring to his attention that
> self-inquiry is not to be deferred to any particular ashrama.  Changes in
> ashrama takes its own course and should be held as part of the praarabhda
> karma but the self-inquiry starts right from the birth.  It starts with
> 'dehaathma buddhi'.
>
> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Michael Shepherd <
> michael at shepherd87.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > May I add something from experience in the ashrama ?
> >
> > Those who have been well and spiritually educated up to age 16 are well
> set
> > for life, could not be better set.
> >
> > But for most, householder and bread-winner coincide in the next ashrama.
> > So we are going to spend that time in an environment which is calling for
> > 'I am the doer..'
> > But how valuable to attempt to have upasana of the mahavakya in one's
> > working life, let alone at home ! One person alone in a factory, go-down,
> or
> > office who hold the mahavakya within, can lighten the tone of the whole
> > workplace and lift that burden of 'I am the doer' a little or a lot..
> >
> > And then vanaprastha becomes, can become, a life of bliss. As someone
> here
> > said to me, 'It's a time for attending to those aspects of samashthi
> which
> > have not previously been fully attended to'..
> >
> > One may never attain or choose sannyasa. But I'm sure that there are a
> > number on this site who would acknowledge that -- especially these days
> of
> > easier communication which don't involve a weary body, and longer lives
> of
> > retirement...vanaprastha is going to become the glory of spiritual life
> in
> > the 21st century..
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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