[Advaita-l] Turiya vs. Deep Sleep (was Re: The Status and Role of Scripture in Advaita - Part 2)

[S Jayanarayanan]

--- On Tue, 4/6/10, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste.
> 
> Dear Kartik, my citing the Dashashloki was to answer the
> particular question
> of Sunil ji: whether 'Guru' exists in 'that' state? 
> The Br.Up. mantra is
> about the sleep state and how all identities are lost
> there.  This prompted
> Sunil ji to ask that question.  Obviously, the answer
> should be: Even the
> 'Guru' identity is not there.  The Dashashloki verse
> shows how the Guru as a
> separate individual is not there in the Paramarthika
> too.  Is that not a
> 'sAmyam' between sleep and Turiya?  As already stated,
> the entire set of a
> dozen mantras or so in the Janaka - Yajnavalkya discussion
> is devoted to
> demonstrate the Liberated state through the illustration of
> the three
> states, with a particular emphasis of the sleep state. The
> suShupti avasthaa
> offers several similarities to the Turiya state. 
> Yajnavalkya cashes in on
> this phenomenon to instruct Janaka about the Triya state.
> 
> I think there the whole issue is clear.
> 

Thank you for the clarification!

If you have the time, please let us know more about the "three states" analysis from the standpoint of bhAva-rUpa-avidyA.

> Best regards,
> subrahmanian.v
> 

Regards,
Kartik

> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:04 PM, S Jayanarayanan <sjayana at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Granted, the BU verse 4.3.22 is with reference to Deep
> Sleep. Even in the
> > previous verse, Sankara points out that the Deep Sleep
> state is different
> > from the True State of the Self (turIya).
> >
> > But the Dasha Shloki verse referred to is certainly
> about the turIya state,
> > as it specifically speaks of the Nature of the Self,
> which is free from
> > tamas (unlike the Deep Sleep state).
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kartik
> >