[Advaita-l] Becoming Hindu - varna

[ravi chandrasekhara]

Dear Sunil and all,

Kanchi Acharya has explained Gita 4-13 that varna is by birth. See www.kamakoti.org and click Hindu Dharma and view relevant chapters.
Swami Ramsukhdasji in his translation of Gita has mentioned the same and also Shri Raj Pandit Sharma of HCUK has given translation of Adi Shankara's comment on Gita 4-13.

I have read on a Madhva site about (dvaita.org is not working) Gita commenting that varna refers to varna of soul (different than all other sampradayas) but that varna by birth should befollowed re: nitya-karmas, marriage, etc.

I am sure re: Vajrasooschika U.  My understanding is that birth is initial definition but guna on top of it is important.  I think this was discussed before on this list.

Jaldhar Vyas has provided shastric support of varna by birth before on this list and other lists.  Perhaps he could comment on Vajrassochika U.

Ravi Chandrasekhara 

--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Becoming Hindu - one possible solution?
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 12:41 PM
> Dear Raviji,
>  
> Namaste,
>  
> Lord Krishna said about division accoring to gunakarma.
> Vajrasoochika Upanishad tells us that  varna is not
> related to birth. How can you be so sanguine in your views?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Sunil K.  Bhattacharjya
>  
>  
>  
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/28/10, ravi chandrasekhara <vadhula at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: ravi chandrasekhara <vadhula at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Becoming Hindu - one possible
> solution?
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 5:24 PM
> 
> 
> Dear Sunil and all,
> 
> Caste, is loosely translated as jaathi.
> Jaathi dharma is basically same as varna dharma.
> This was also stated by Kanchi Shankaracharya,
> Chandrasekharendra Saraswati. IMHO, the 3 major sampradayas
> concur with this.
> 
> Ravi Chandrasekhara
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Becoming Hindu - one possible
> solution?
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 12:14 PM
> > The caste system as is known now was
> > created by the British for the census purposes. It
> appears
> > that the present government may continue this practice
> of
> > our past masters, Alberuni however gives quite a
> different
> > picture.
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Abhilash Shastry <abhilash.shastry at yahoo.co.in>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: Abhilash Shastry <abhilash.shastry at yahoo.co.in>
> > Subject: [Advaita-l] Becoming Hindu - one possible
> > solution?
> > To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 4:49 AM
> > 
> > 
> > This is such an arrogant discussion. 
> > 
> > People talking patronizingly as if they are burdened
> with
> > a sense of heavy 
> > responsibility toward those unfortunate creatures who
> did
> > not get born as Hindus 
> > -quoting from this and that shastraa. Whom are we
> deluding
> > here? The world is 
> > not flocking at our doors to convert to Hinduism.
> There
> > are just a handful of 
> > romanticists who are probably unaware of the inequity
> > imbuilt within Hinduism 
> > who want to come to Hinduism. Give them an honest
> answer
> > about Hinduism and its 
> > caste system and half of them would not bother again
> to
> > convert. Rest would be 
> > of a sturdier material and would be well off either
> way
> > whether you place them 
> > in a high or low or left or right caste.
> > 
> > Namaskar
> > 
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