[Advaita-l] True or False

Praveen R. Bhat bhatpraveen at gmail.com
Mon Dec 6 22:14:23 CST 2010

Hari OM, Rajaramji,

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:30 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani
<rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) In tat tvam asi, tat is Ishvara
> 2) In tat tvam asi, tvam is you
> 3) So tat tvam asi means you are Ishvara
> Without using the help of any lakShaNAs, could you simply answer T or F?!
> *True. In support of this, I will state the upanishadic quotes "Gopalaham",
> "Sivo'ham" "So'ham" etc.

I don't think an upanishadic statement, that too a mahAvAkya, needs
another upanishadic statement as a support. Could you also
share which upanishad talks of gopAlaham?

We see in Bhagavatham that Gopis take the form of
> Krishna when He is  there. When a jnani (gopis in this case) manifest
> sarUpya, then there is nothing to differentiate Her from Him.

Having the same rUpa as the deity is not *being* Him. In any case,
this has nothing to do with tat tvam asi.

> Saraswati states that there are three stages of devotion: "I am His", He is
> mine" and finally "I am He". *

I don't think that Madhusudana Saraswati is talking of sarUpya (mukti)
anywhere here.

Finally, coming back to the original subject, even in your response
you felt a need to explain your "True" which is what everyone here is
pointing out. A simple true and false just won't do in case of loaded

--Praveen R. Bhat
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