[Advaita-l] drushti and satya

Anbu sivam2 anbesivam2 at gmail.com
Wed Feb 10 02:00:38 CST 2010

Dear Bhaskarji,

Quote: "there is no need to label our avidyA vyavahAra or avidyA drushti as
'vyAvahArika' satta!!"

We should not lose sight of certain important background that should dictate
our understanding.  Let me detail it.

a) If all the jeevas have attained MOksha then there is no need for the
world of samsaara and there would not be any need for creation.  Thus the
idea of creation is that there are jeevas who are to enjoy and suffer due to
their praarabhdha karma.

b) There could be two persons looking at the rope but only one sees it as
snake and gets frightened.  Getting frightened is not sukham but dhukkam.
This ought to be karmaphala.  This is in conformity with the idea that all
have been destined by the Lord only for the enjoyment and the suffering of
the jeeva.  If it is not the case, then the creation will be meaningless.

c) This pegs the question if prathibhaasika satta and vyavahaarika satta are
one and the same as far as the jeeva is concerned.

d) This is where the intellect takes it at a tangent considering them as
being different, is it not?


On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> Can we put the relation between the Vyavaharika Satya and the Paramarthika
> Satya as follows?
> The Vyavaharika Satya is what appears to us when in the Mental plane (or
> the Manomaya kosha)  the mind interacts with the objects of senses.  At
> the higher plane of wisom (or the Jnanatmana or the Vijnanamaya kosha)
> where the mind ceases its activities one becomes more like a sakshi and
> what was experienced in the mental plane appears as nothing but a series
> of dreams. When one sees the past births as a series of dreams then one
> sees the Paramarthika Satya
> praNAms Sri Sunil prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
> Again, IMO, there is no need to label our avidyA vyavahAra or avidyA
> drushti as 'vyAvahArika' satta!! It is only due to cataract in our eyes we
> are seeing two moons and there is no 'satyatva' in perception of  two
> moons...it is only due to our 'drushti dOsha' there appears two moons but
> there is no satyatva in the existence of two moons.  Ofcourse, when we get
> rid of this 'drushti dOsha' we realize that there was/is/will be only one
> moon!!  We cannot say before realization there were two moons and now
> after eye operation two moons have become one...jnAna cannot change the
> status of satya it only reveals what is 'always' there.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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