The first one is the Chetana dRk, the Seer/observer The other is the entire seen, inert world: dRshya praNAms Hare Krishna How about sarvamApOmayaM jagat in saptashati & veda maNtra ApOva idagaM sarvaM vishvAbhUtAnyApaH, prANAvA ApaH, pashava ApaH etc. etc. Do these stOtra/maNtra-s have any relevance to 'dravya shakti'?? Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar