[Advaita-l] Learning Mimamsa Logic for Apaureshyatva

Rajaram Venkataramani rajaramvenk at gmail.com
Thu Dec 1 23:43:27 CST 2011

OK - was also planning to ask a srautigal.

On 02/12/2011, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Namaste
> Kindly ask opinion of Sri Mani Dravid Sastri about our discussion of
> Bruhadaranyaka 6-4-18 and its Sankara Bhashya if possible.
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani
> <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There is one member from Chennai and one member from Hyderabad who have
>>> expressed interest to participate in the session. If there are others
>>> interested, please send your confirmation ASAP so that I can plan it with
>>> Shri Mani Sastrigal.
>> I compiled a few objections to apaureshyatva from an expert in our
>> traditions. I will compile the defence later but I would like to get as
>> many points attacking the position of apaureshyatva first.
>> 1. Arguments in Jayanta Bhatta's Nyaya Manjari
>> 2. Sankhya Karikas
>> 3. Sarvanukramani lists authors for Veda Mantras
>> 4. Gotra - genetic evidence shows that all rishis lived in the recent past
>> where as humans lived long before that
>> 5. Brahmana narratives have clear reference to events, people and places
>> in
>> a particular point time. The description of bodily features (e.g.
>> baldness)
>> cannot be eternal
>> 6. Avestan Texts have parallel mantras. It shows that these were just
>> parallel ideas that cross-pollinated between cultures
>> 7. Linguistic analysis shows that the sanskrit language shares its
>> founddations wih pan european languages
>> 8. The defense of apuarehsyatva is not the same among the traditions that
>> believe in apaureshyatva
>> 9. The theory of evolution and origin of universe do not admit of
>> apaureshyatva
>> 10. Historical analysis of our texts show evolution of language and
>> correspondence to historical events
>> 11. Our texts contain profound ideas but also ridiculous concepts such as
>> earth standing on four elephants supported on a giant tortoise. It is not
>> possible to admit these statements as eternal truths
>> 12. Different rishis borrow from each other and add different meter to
>> mantras etc. It is not reasonable to say that the different forms of the
>> mantras and even the rituals are eternal
> --
> Regards
> -Venkatesh
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