[Advaita-l] Fw: vedic yajna

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

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From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
To: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] vedic yajna
 

Namaste,

I am surprised that you have not got what I wrote in very simple English. I said that whatever Kamalakara Bhatta wrote on beef-eating some 400 years ago in his compendium, has to be substantiated by you if you are banking on the statement of Kamalakara Bhatta. This is in  no way any derogation or aspersion on Nirnayasindhu, in its position as a secondary authority.

Did you by any chance think that Brihadaranyaka gave a general sanction for beef-eating? I personally think that Bhishma was right when he said that meat was offered in yajna by dhoortas.
 
Regards,

Sunil KB


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 From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] vedic yajna
 
Namaste

It is not impossible for people more knowledgeable than Nirnaya Sindhu
author to be available. But we have to see some evidence. Some person
X cannot come and say Nirnaya Sindhu prohibition of Beef in Kali Yuga
is not correct without giving evidence he is more qualified. I am
asking where is the evidence? He can also give a counter saying from
another scholar  more qualified. AFAIK no scholar has given evidence
why Nirnaya Sindhu must not be followed.

I already gave Vedic reference from Yajur Veda 'cows are not to be
killed' but people are ignoring it. The Vedas will not say do this in
Kali Yuga and do this in other Yugas. It is the duty of the Smrutis to
say that.

It is dumb to say our ancestors Rishis were eating meat so we can eat
it. The conditions and environment in those days were different. Now
it is different. If we say Rishis were eating meat so we can eat we
must be prepared
 to do other things they were doing also. They were
doing Tapas without food and water for many years. Are you prepared to
that? No. Then why say we can eat meat because Rishis were eating. If
you say our ancestors were eating meat in Yajnas. Are you prepared to
do Yajnas continuously for many days? Do you have stamina and patience
to do that? No. Then why say we can eat meat like our ancestors. It is
hypocrisy.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
<sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Venkateshji,
>
> You said
> Quote
>> these things in a clear way without room for any ambiguity.  But I do The Nirnaya Sindhu author
>
> Kamalakara Bhatta read all the Vedas the Smrutis, the Puranas and more before writing in Kali Yuga
>
> Beef is Banned. He
 knew what you have written and more.  Do you think you are more knowledgeable
>
> than him? If yes how?
>
> Unquote
>
>
> It is not impossible that people more knowledgeable than Kamalakara Bhatta may be available today.
>
> Secondly, One must give the original reference in a debate. After all the Nirnayasindhu is a sort of
>
> compendium and it has only secondary authority. So one must cite the original reference to the vedic exts
>
> including the Smritis.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sunil KB
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] vedic yajna
>
> Namaste
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>> Not correct. Beef is prohibited  by Vedas, Smruti and Sistachara. What
>> more do you want? Other meat can be eaten by non Brahmins but Brahmins
>> cannot eat even other meat. This is for South Indian Brahmins. For
>> North Indian Brahmins beef is prohibited. We have to respect Desha and
>> Kala in Dharma discussion. There can be changes because of Desha and
>> Kala.
>>
>> praNAms Sri Venkatesh prabhuji
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>> No,  on the other hand, as I told
 you earlier, there are plenty of
>> maNtra-s in rig veda, shatapata brAhmaNa, manu smruti etc. where you can
>> find (unless there is a 'special' interpretation to this as per yuga
>> dharma) meat/beef eating is well within the vedic saMpradAya.  During the
>> course of the discussion in some group, I was told that in shatapata
>> brAhmaNa rishi yajnAvalkya admits of beef eating by him coz. it is soft
>> and tasty :-))...but I donot remember any reference to this.  And shankara
>> himself in bruhadAraNyaka without going to interpret br. mantra in a
>> superfluous way  simply says uksha is rishabha..and manu smruti too talk
>> these things in a clear way without room for any ambiguity.  But I do
> The Nirnaya Sindhu author Kamalakara Bhatta read all the Vedas the
> Smrutis, the Puranas and more before writing in Kali Yuga Beef is
>
 Banned. He knew what you have written and more.  Do you think you are
> more knowledgeable than him? If yes how?
>
>> Since I see no further benefits from this discussion & non-veg items are
>> not in my menu card, I shall stop my discussion in favor of
>> non-vegetarianism:-))
>>
> Good.
>
>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
>
>>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
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