[Advaita-l] Examples of bhakti rasa realization by Advaitins

V Subrahmanian v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
Fri Oct 28 21:09:20 CDT 2011

See this:


// All the pain of longing and all the bliss of fulfilment are mirrored in
its glowing symbolism. The perfection of Knowledge is combined with the
ecstasy of devotion. And yet this most heartfelt of poems was composed from
the standpoint of the devotee, of one who is still seeking.//


//Only Brahmacharis of the most ardent nature and ascetic people like Suka
Maharshi, who described it to Parikshit and in the recent years Ramakrishna
Paramahamsa can appreciate that relationship and pronounce upon its
uniqueness. //


On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there any response to the following? Let me explain the context of this
> question. According to Gaudiya Vaishnavism, Buddhism and Jainism teach
> people to reject this material world which is full of sorrow as the limited
> happiness is also temporary. But they take the follower only to state of
> emptiness. Advaitam gives the follower a experience of being the
> experiencer
> (*kaivalya* *and santa rasa*) but ultimately denies the experience of
> Ishwara. All the monotheistic world religions such as Christianity, Islam,
> Judaism, Shaivam, Saktam, Sauram etc. allow one to experience an aspect of
> Ishwara in *dasya bhava. *Even vaishanava sects such as that of Ramanuja,
> Madhwa, Vallabha and Nimbharka give *dasya, sakhya, vatsalya and to a
> limited extent madhurya bhavas*. They limit madhurya bhava to within the
> confines of marriage or *svakiya madhurya bhava*. The speciality of gaudiya
> vaishnavam is that it gives all others from *santa to madhurya bhava *but
> most importantly gives the experience of *parakiya madhurya bhava, *which
> is
> possible only in the worship of Lord Krishna in the mood of Gopis of
> Vrindavana. Their condemnation of other schools of thought is on the basis
> that the followers are denied the experience of *parakiya madhurya
> bhava, *which is the purpose of brahman or pure consciousness. I would like
> to know if there are any references to advaitins experiencing madhurya rasa.
> Madhusudana is said to have experienced dasya and vatsalya rasas. And Bhakta
> Meera is said to have
> experienced Madhurya Rasa. But both of them can be said to be influenced by
> Gaudiya Vaishnavam. As Hari Vamsa and Bhagavatam were both well known to
> many advaita acharyas, I would be surprised if they did not experience
> these
> rasas. However, I have not seen evidence thereof. Can someone please point
> to one?
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> > If we see the legends of vaishnavas, shaivas and saktas, we see that they
> > experience direct relationship with the Lord in different bhakti rasas
> such
> > as madhurya, vatsalya, sakhya, dasya etc. Does advaita tradition record
> > anything similar more than bhagavat sakshatkaram?

Any 'bhAva' is only induced.  BrahmabhAva is alone natural to a being.  All
such induced bhAva-s only aim at some or the other level in the
recognition/realization of one's natural BrahmabhAva.  And it is only the
latter that obtains for ever.  Advaita does not recognize or postulate any
'loka' after the death for the Jnani where one or several of these
cultivated bhAva-s persist.  For all non-advaitic schools the survival of
duality compels the postulation of loka-s like Vaikuntha, Goloka, etc.
Advaita has no such compulsion.  Brahmavid Brahmaiva bhavati.  The knower of
Brahman remains as Brahman.


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