[Advaita-l] Sabda Pramana of Mimamsa

[Raghav Kumar]

Namaste SrI Shankar ji

What you have written is quite interesting. Just to to clarify -

In your revised understanding, within each passage/sUkta/adhyAya (located be
it in either the mantra-samhita, brAhmaNa, Aranyaka etc of each Veda),  we
could have some portions containing mantra-s plus the passages explaining
the use of those mantra-s in karma  which together constitute mImAmsa's
sabda pramANa. while other portions/vAkya-s within the same section are only
to provide context and sangatIs and stuti (such passages not being sabda
pramANa per se). Is this right ?

My questions are - in your revised understanding,

1. how does mImAmsA's sabda pramANa parse a given upaniShad or a sUktaM
(maybe you could take a small exampe) ?

2.  In the SrI sUktaM, consider the portion from

A).  "hiraNyavarNAM hariNIM suvarNa rajatasrajAM, chandrAm hiraNmayIM
lakShmIm jAtavedo ma Avaha    ......yasyAM hiraNyam prabhUtam gAvo
dAsyo'ashvAN, vindeyaM puruShAnahaM" - this seems to be the
mantra-portion.
and then compare with the

B) The uttara-bhAga  giving details of the practice/use of the mantra and
also stuti of Devi with some almost-purANic sounding stuti like "SrI
rangadhAmeshvarIM" and "sarva-mangala-mAngalye-shive-sarvArtha-sAdhike"
etc., .starting with "yah shuchiH prayato bhUtva yuhuyAd AjyamanvahaM ,
shriyaH panchadasharcarcam ca shrI kAmaH satatam japet"
(On who purifies himself and offers Ajyam to Agni etc....) and ending with
"santatamRcA vashat-kRtyaM sandhattam sandhIyate prajayA pashubhiH"
Very often , we don;t even hear the latter part being recited, although the
latter portion too  has intonations (anudAtta, udAtta, svarita). Do both
these portions fall within mImAmsA's sabda-pramANa or are there some vAkya-s
within the above 2 portions which don't fall within the purview of mImAmsa's
sabda pramANa ?

Also could you post the link to the thread discussed earlier ?

Regards
Raghav

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:00 AM, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <
shankarabharadwaj at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Revisiting this thread, having done some learning. My reading that
> Mimamsa's sabda pramana covers only the Brahmana part and not
> Aranyaka/Upanishad was incorrect. It is also incorrect to put all
> non-samhita portions into Brahmana.
>
> Mimamsa's analysis is not at the book level but at a micro level. The
> mantra/brahmana difference is applicable to each vAkya of the Veda, and is
> not applicable at a text/section level. Thus, Samhita has Mantra and
> Brahmana portions, Brahmana has Mantra and Brahmana portions, and Aranyaka
> has Mantra and Brahmana portions.
>
> Shankar
>
>
>
> [Advaita-l] How to read puranasJaldhar H. Vyas jaldhar at braincells.com
> Thu Jun  9 23:17:28 CDT 2011
> ________________________________
>
> On Mon, 23 May 2011, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli wrote: >Mimamsa's
> division does not apply even to the entire Sruti - it is only for >Samhita
> and Brahmana. Their first division of Veda is into two parts - the >Mantra
> (Samhita) and Brahmana. > Brahmana is in its widest sense any part of shruti
> which is not mantra.
> Most of the historically earliest upanishads are part of a brahmana.  For
> instance brhadaranyaka (note the name) is the concluding parts of the
> shatapatha brahmana.  In fact its chapters are called brahmanas.
> Taittireyopanishad is the concluding part of the Taittireya Aranyaka which
> itself is the concluding part of the Taittireya Brahmana and so on.
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