[Advaita-l] Prapatti - Jiiva and Iswara

[rajaramvenk at gmail.com]

What do you mean by totality (maya or its effects)? During the time between dissolution and creation, does 'totality' exist? Does the association between brahman and totality (Ishwara) exist? 
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From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:11:09 
To: <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti - Jiiva and Iswara

Shree Rajaram - PraNAms 

There is no separate Iswara other than totality itself - Pure consciousness identified with totality is Iswara. Pure consciousness identified with locality is jiiva. micro and macro systems are in parallel - that is what discussed in Madukya in the three paadas. The study of that is required to appreciate these. 

Hari Om!
Sadananda



--- On Mon, 2/20/12, rajaramvenk at gmail.com <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: rajaramvenk at gmail.com <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti - Jiiva and Iswara
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, February 20, 2012, 5:23 AM
> I don't see objects (physics etc.)in
> deep sleep because maya does not reveal. Who obstructs
> sarvajnatvam of Ishwara in yoga nidra? If as Sri
> Subrahmanian said, His sarvajnatvam is anAdita and nitya
> siddhi, how can it be obstructed? Also, what is yoga nidra
> as He does not have a mind to sleep?
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> From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
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> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 01:58:22 
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> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti - Jiiva and Iswara
> 
> Kalyan - PraNAms
> 
> Subbuji has already addressed the questions. The five
> components of jiiva or Iswara are not associated with
> particular states per sec. In waking state for example all
> the five components are expressed - we have the gross body,
> the subtle body, the causal bady as well as the chidaabhaasa
> - the fifth one is ever existent  as sat chit
> swaruupam. In the dream state the gross body is -as though-
> folded and the rest are there - in the deep sleep state the
> karaaNa Shariira is there along with pure consciousness.
> Chidaabhaasa arises only when the mind is there to reflect
> as the very name indicates. The pure consciousness is only
> referred to as the fourth - caturtham manyante - but it is
> not really the fourth state - since it is there in all the
> states. 
> 
> Regarding the pralaya state and Iswara - just as in laya for
> jiiva where the knowledge he has in potential form, same
> goes with Iswara in the pralaya - all the knowledge is in
> potential form. He is in yoga nidra. When I am in nidra - do
> I have or  not the knowledge of say, Chemistry or
> physics etc? I have what ever knowledge I had - but now in
> potential form. To express the knowledge instruments are
> required. Till then they are avyaktam - unmanifested form -
> avyaktaani bhuutani vyakta madhyaani bhaarata - Hence all
> jiivas and the jagat are in potential form before creation
> starts. Creation is again is motivated by the push of the
> vaasanas of all jiivas that are in potential form which are
> getting ready to express. 
> 
> Actually Jagat and Iswara come into picture with the
> crystallization of jiiva-hood who identifies himself with
> local BMI and sees the world separate from him. This can be
> seen clearly when we dream. We do not have dream world
> created first and then jiiva created in the preexisting
> world - If there is world before jiiva enters then who will
> see or know that world? A sequence of process is expressed
> for understanding with anupravesha statement. When I go to
> deep sleep state where is the world and where is Iswara?
> Along with the jagat every thing is folded into potential or
> subtle form. What is there is pure existence and pure
> ignorance. I do not know that I am ignorant while I am in
> deep sleep state since to know my ignorance also I need the
> mind which was folded in the deep sleep state. Hence the
> scripture provides the info in terms of what was there in
> deep sleep state or during pralaya. He is the author of the
> scriptures. Hence He has to be sarvajnaH. 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 2/20/12, Kalyan K <kalyankc.81 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Also, Sadananda-ji, you ask us to
> > refer to Mandukya upanishad. But only
> > four states are mentioned in that upanishad. Can you
> please
> > explain how
> > there are five states here?
>  
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